Originally Posted by HowlerKarma
I'm not a fan of certificate programs and job training being offered on university campuses. That is training, and it's not the same thing as education. In fact, engineering programs have long had uneasy relationships with their home institutions for that very reason-- engineering programs tend to be more skill/certification oriented, and less about broad applicability/education.

True. I was thinking more of the community college job training programs (reasonably affordable and often offered in the evening). Some of the programs I've encountered have been outstanding, both for job training value and pure educational value.