Originally Posted by Bostonian
Originally Posted by MotherofToddler
I'd like to know exactly what percentage of children are completely incapable of learning long division with one-on-one help. Who cares if someone learns more slowly and takes longer to master long division when that person could live to be 100 years old? It would be great if slow learners and fast learners could work at their own speeds and everyone could maximize her own potential.
The skills taught in elementary school, such as reading and arithmetic, are intrinsically important. Many subjects and skills taught in later grades and in college are rarely used, and employers value credentials such as the high school diploma or bachelor's degree to signal a certain level of intelligence and discipline, not for the specific knowledge acquired. Some pre-professional majors such as engineering or nursing may be exceptions.

Long division of numbers is almost never done in real life -- we use calculators. It is important primarily as preparation to do long division in algebra. Most people don't use algebra on the job or at home, either, and the people who really struggle with long division are especially unlikely to. My general point is that intensive efforts to teach certain parts of the post-elementary curriculum will have limited benefit, because weak students will soon forget what they have been taught, and because the correlation of academic achievement with positive outcomes such as high income is largely due to the correlation of IQ with those outcomes.

I lived a town away from a very bad school in a very poor town and I can think of people who graduated from high school who can't do basic math or write at a 4th grade level. Then they go on to struggle and fail out of community college because it's just too late for them to ever catch up and they can't pass that one algebra class they need to get their Associate's. Do people look at these kids as 10-year-olds and say "They don't need to know this, they aren't going to have a job where they need to understand math or know to spell?" because it really seems like that is what's happening to a lot of people, when maybe the reason they are failing is because they have parents who are out past midnight, not making sure the child is getting her homework done, sleeping enough, or eating anything for dinner that she can't dump out of can. Why bother teaching people for 13 years if you don't care about them or don't think they can learn? We're just wasting everyone's time.