Gratified, Your stories cracked me up. I do think that ones who think hard about stuff can be the hardest to work with.

Here's my story of how my mother tried to train me. I was 3+ and my grandmother (who had dementia and was incontinent) lived with us. My mother explained pleasantly to me one morning that "your getting to be a big girl now and big girls use the potty." I replied instantly that "Grandma's a big girl and she doesn't use the potty." End of conversation. My mother knew she had lost. About 4 months later, I spontaneously decided on my own that it was time.