HoosierMommy - We turned a corner the past few days with dd2. She started going potty and staying dry. My point is that I don't think I had anything to do with it. She just decided to do it. I'm sure encouragement, bribes, other tactics help but if she didn't decide she would do it, nothing would have helped at this point. This is my reward for having ds train at 4.5, right? My C-section was less painful than that experience.