I don't have time to read through all of the replies, but fwiw, jmo, Love and Logic works with some kids and doesn't work with others - I have both types of kids! With my gang, I've found that you have to work to find what works for each individual child and that can mean trying a bunch of different techniques, and with some children it can take a *lot* of trying things out, sometimes for many years. with other kids just about anything you try will work a-ok smile Some children are simply easier to parent than others, and I'm not sure it's related to giftedness... although being gifted can certainly help a child who is bound and determined to not do what their parents wants them to do to think and act quickly in the heat of the moment wink

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