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    Re: New! Help Needed for 2e gifted 7 yo w School Traum Eagle Mum 11/05/25 05:46 AM
    Originally Posted by Giuseppe Bullock
    Your experience really helps put things into perspective. Did you find certain teachers more open to adjusting their approach than others?

    Hi Giuseppe. I’m not sure to which of us your question was directed and the first few posts of new members take a while to become visible. In our experience, there’s been a wide range of how teachers responded to our kids’ needs - from one who told off my eldest for working ahead, to the amazing HoD who worked with the school executive to organise a school-wide subscription to an online maths program, which enabled my son to work several grades ahead without any need to rearrange class schedules. My DCs were more likely to get adjustments when their teachers were HoD or the most senior teacher for the stage that the cohort were in at the time.
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    Identification, Testing & Assessment Jump to new posts
    Re: Gifted Development Center reviews? Josefina T. 11/04/25 10:41 PM
    I have also tested my daughter with the GDC. Tomorrow I have the devolution call. In the meantime we followed Linda recommendation and tested her for binocular disfunction and auditory processing disorder. She has both. She is already using her new lenses and will start VT mid November. She is using the passive filter from Able Kids Foundation and it is working.

    I am super grateful with Linda Silverman.
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    Parenting and Advocacy Jump to new posts
    Re: What do I ask for to support my kids? devoteagressive 11/04/25 05:01 AM
    Make a folder containing all of your daughter's advanced work from the second grade. To determine the true gap, ask the teacher for tests or assignments that are a grade or two higher if her work is perfect.

    Originally Posted by indigo
    Welcome, ERM.

    To support your children's intellectual giftedness, advocate for: appropriate academic challenge, and true intellectual peers.
    This old thread includes lots of information from parents on this forum, over the years:
    https://giftedissues.davidsongifted...y_Advocacy_as_a_Non_Newt.html#Post183916 gorilla tag
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    Re: Freedoms for gifted students FrameistElite 10/29/25 02:49 PM
    It's a good compromise, including the curfew issue, and of course, we do need to cover our legal responsibilities... even if I may be more tempted to defend my children despite their bad habit. I do believe we need a limit somewhere so they do have a sense of security, and that limit is drugs—I will not allow them in the home. However, I will not go out of my way to catch kids doing drugs.

    I do agree with you on all of this, including outings before the exam. It's their consequences. I managed what may be converted to 98 or 99+ ATAR depending on university (not Australian).

    Ultimately I do believe this is great parenting. However what about the other kids? What if teachers try to impose stricter limits on the students that may not be fair, for instance in a misguided attempt at "safeguarding"?
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    Re: Gifted Test from 1987 that list E.A.S. score? Perrystreet 10/28/25 01:59 AM
    I’m really sorry that I’m so late to reply. Soon after I asked this question, we had something happen in my family and I forgot to check back for replies. Things are looking better now.

    Thank you so much for answering!!!
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    Re: Birthday gift ideas age 13? Sofia Baar 10/24/25 04:02 AM
    You could try something that feeds his love for building and logic — like a Raspberry Pi starter kit, Arduino set, or a LEGO Technic/Robot Inventor kit if he enjoys hands-on projects.

    Since he’s into coding, a fun beginner game development kit, a coding puzzle game, or a book on Python for teens could be awesome too.

    For strategy, maybe a classic board game like Catan or Risk. And to make it more personal, you could toss in some custom koozies with his name or a funny “future coder” design — a small but fun extra that makes the gift feel special!
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    Re: Help! Gifted Son w school trauma Josefina T. 10/22/25 09:26 PM
    Hello JPH,

    Yes, my daughter has trauma from school. She was accelerated and she is finishing this year school. One thing I would do if I could start again is homeschooling
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    Struggles behaviorally with body management Dwayne Pell 10/22/25 02:06 AM
    My daughter is finishing first grade at a private gifted school. She's doing quite well academically, but struggles behaviorally with body management and impulse control. We have been told she has sensory processing disorder, specifically a subtype in which perception of body position and orientation are impaired, and sitting quietly for long stretches is hard. We're seeing an OT and discussing accommodations, but the staff seem lukewarm. DD is on-grade but is among the very youngest in her cohort, and she has told us all year that she misses kindergarten. I'm wondering if the real root cause here is developmental asynchrony. Should we have held her back last year to let her body catch up and give her another year of less-structured play? Given that we didn't, would having her repeat first grade have any positive effects? Have you seen similar problems in your kid? How did you handle them?

    Thanks in advance for the advice.
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    Re: US Colleges Ranked by IQ selenon 10/22/25 01:36 AM
    Originally Posted by thx1138
    Comprehensive table for the top 25 national universities (2024 US News rankings), incorporating SAT metrics, IQ estimates, and percentile rankings:

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    | Institution            | SAT Mean | SAT SD | IQ Mean | IQ SD | 1570 %ile | 1590 %ile |
    |------------------------|----------|--------|---------|-------|-----------|-----------|
    | [b]Caltech[/b]            | 1555     | 180    | 138     | 14    | 52nd      | 61st      |
    | [b]MIT[/b]                | 1540     | 190    | 137     | 14    | 56th      | 66th      |
    | [b]Princeton[/b]          | 1525     | 195    | 136     | 15    | 59th      | 69th      |
    | [b]Harvard[/b]            | 1520     | 200    | 135     | 15    | 60th      | 70th      |
    | [b]Yale[/b]               | 1515     | 195    | 135     | 15    | 61st      | 71st      |
    | [b]UChicago[/b]           | 1510     | 185    | 135     | 14    | 62nd      | 71st      |
    | [b]Stanford[/b]           | 1505     | 195    | 134     | 15    | 63rd      | 73rd      |
    | [b]Columbia[/b]           | 1500     | 195    | 134     | 15    | 64th      | 73rd      |
    | [b]Penn[/b]               | 1495     | 190    | 133     | 14    | 65th      | 74th      |
    | [b]Duke[/b]               | 1490     | 185    | 133     | 14    | 66th      | 75th      |
    | [b]Johns Hopkins[/b]      | 1485     | 180    | 133     | 14    | 67th      | 76th      |
    | [b]Northwestern[/b]       | 1480     | 175    | 132     | 13    | 68th      | 77th      |
    | [b]Brown[/b]              | 1475     | 190    | 132     | 14    | 69th      | 77th      |
    | [b]Dartmouth[/b]          | 1470     | 185    | 132     | 14    | 70th      | 78th      |
    | [b]Vanderbilt[/b]         | 1465     | 175    | 131     | 13    | 71st      | 79th      |
    | [b]Rice[/b]               | 1460     | 170    | 131     | 13    | 72nd      | 80th      |
    | [b]WashU St. Louis[/b]    | 1455     | 175    | 130     | 13    | 73rd      | 81st      |
    | [b]Cornell[/b]            | 1450     | 180    | 130     | 14    | 74th      | 82nd      |
    | [b]Notre Dame[/b]         | 1445     | 170    | 130     | 13    | 75th      | 83rd      |
    | [b]Georgetown[/b]         | 1435     | 175    | 129     | 13    | 76th      | 84th      |
    | [b]UC Berkeley[/b]        | 1435     | 195    | 129     | 15    | 75th      | 79th      |
    | [b]Carnegie Mellon[/b]    | 1430     | 190    | 129     | 14    | 77th      | 84th      |
    | [b]Emory[/b]              | 1425     | 180    | 128     | 14    | 78th      | 85th      |
    | [b]UCLA[/b]               | 1410     | 185    | 127     | 14    | 81st      | 83rd      |
    | [b]NYU[/b]                | 1395     | 180    | 126     | 14    | 84th      | 87th      |

    Methodology Explanation for a General Audience

    To address concerns about how these estimates were created, here’s a plain-language breakdown of the process, its strengths, and its limitations:

    Core Approach
    SAT Score Estimates

    Data Sources: Relied on official pre-2021 admissions records (when schools still required tests), published SAT ranges, and adjustments for modern trends.

    Test-Optional Adjustments: Added 15–25 points to older averages because students who voluntarily submit SAT scores today tend to have higher results than pre-2021 applicants.

    Standard Deviations: Kept historical score spreads (e.g., how much scores vary around the average) because even with fewer test-takers, the range of scores hasn’t widened dramatically.

    IQ Estimates

    Conversion Logic: The SAT was designed to align with national averages. A student scoring exactly average (1050 SAT) maps to an IQ of 100. For every 13-point SAT increase above 1050, we added 1 IQ point (and vice versa for lower scores).

    Validation: Studies show SAT scores correlate strongly with IQ tests (about 80% overlap), though SATs also reflect studying and access to resources.

    Percentile Rankings

    Assumption: In large groups (like 50,000+ applicants), SAT scores roughly follow a "bell curve." This lets us estimate how unusual a score like 1570 is at each school.

    Example: If a school’s average SAT is 1500, a 1570 is 70 points above average. Depending on how much scores vary there, this might place a student in the top 25% (75th percentile) or higher.

    Addressing Common Concerns
    "Old Data Can’t Predict Today’s Students"
    While SATs are no longer required, today’s admitted students have even higher GPAs and AP coursework than pre-2021 classes. Since high school grades and SATs are closely linked, older SAT data still provides a reliable baseline.

    "Not Everyone Takes the SAT Anymore"
    Yes, but students who do submit scores are typically stronger test-takers. To compensate, we raised historical averages slightly, matching patterns seen at schools like UChicago that still report scores.

    "IQ Isn’t the Same as SAT Scores"
    Agreed. IQ tests measure raw cognitive ability, while SATs mix ability with preparation. However, decades of research show SAT scores predict IQ about as well as specialized tests. We prioritized transparency by using a simple, consistent conversion.

    "Small Schools Aren’t Bell Curves"
    For liberal arts colleges (e.g., Amherst, Williams), we reduced reliance on strict bell curves and incorporated actual score distributions reported before they went test-optional.

    "This Ignores Systemic Bias"
    True. SAT scores correlate with wealth and race. However, the same biases affect IQ testing. These estimates reflect observed academic patterns, not innate potential. We flagged this limitation clearly.

    Why Trust These Estimates?
    Cross-Checks: Compared schools to peers with similar admissions rates (e.g., UC Berkeley vs. Cornell). Results matched expected "tiers."

    Real-World Validation: Estimated SAT averages for MIT (1540) and Stanford (1505) align with recent self-reported student surveys. Geometry Dash Lite

    Transparency: Shared all assumptions upfront (e.g., test-optional inflation adjustments) rather than hiding uncertainties.

    Key Limitations
    Test-Optional Skew: Even after adjustments, true averages for non-submitters could be 30–50 points lower.

    Subject Differences: Engineering-heavy schools (Caltech) attract math-focused applicants, inflating SAT averages relative to IQ.

    Noise in Percentiles: A 1570 SAT might be 75th percentile one year and 80th the next due to small applicant pool changes.

    Final Word
    These estimates aren’t perfect, but they’re grounded in historical data, peer-reviewed research, and conservative adjustments. They aim to help students and researchers compare institutions—not to label individuals. For schools hiding their data, this is the best approximation possible without official transparency.

    This comprehensive and transparent methodology provides a thoughtful approach to estimating SAT scores, IQ, and percentile rankings for top U.S. universities. It’s clear you’ve carefully considered the limitations of historical data, test-optional trends, and systemic biases, while offering a reasonable framework for comparison. Your explanations are accessible and address common concerns, which helps build trust in these estimates. While no model can perfectly capture the complexities of admissions and individual ability, your approach strikes a good balance between rigor and clarity—valuable for students, educators, and researchers seeking informed insights.
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    Re: Technology may replace 40% of jobs in 15 years indigo 10/15/25 04:24 PM
    Brace yourself. What may have seemed a fascinating novelty and interesting curiosity, is scaling up and poised for massive deployment. Here's a brief video, sixteen minutes and 14 seconds, updating on Artificial Intelligence (AI) already taking over various job categories -


    (h t t p s : / / w w w . y o u t u b e . c o m / w a t c h ? v = C z j i p O 4 v u 1 g)

    A few highlights:
    09:55 - unemployment forecast: 42% of registered nurses, 47% of truck drivers, 64% of accountants, 65% of teaching assistants, 89% of fast food workers.
    10:39 - 3.8% growth in GDP predicted, consisting of consumer spending and "non-residential fixed investments"
    11:17 - top 10% of income earners account for 50% of consumer spending
    11:40 - "non-residential fixed investments" means AI data centers (Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta, etc)
    12:00 - top 10% own 90% of stock market
    12:15 - average citizens becoming much less of the equation; being eliminated from economy
    12:37 - mention of Sam Altman and UBI (Universal Basic Income)
    12:55 - mention of top AI executives saying UBI will help unemployed with the AI transition
    13:31 - mention of Elon Musk being asked, in an interview, what career advice he would give... causing him to remain silent for 14 seconds... speechless.

    Ironically, accompanying this video, there is an AI-generated transcript and an AI-generated summary.

    "AI generated video summary: Morgan Hill Farms reveals unexpected garden challenges and canning triumphs. A discussion about AI's potential impact on the economy and jobs follows. Prepare for a surprising perspective on the future of work."

    It's not just the USA. Articles tout China's automated workforce:
    1) ZME Science - https://www.zmescience.com/science/...ots-than-the-rest-of-the-world-combined/
    2) Global Times - https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202502/1328649.shtml
    As one commentor aptly said: "The human being is being supplanted right before our eyes."
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