My first child was a gentle one who only needed to be taught and corrected. Anything more then that would cause more harm then good. Now my second child, my daughter, she would run me over with that approach. She is an intense, passionate and powerful personality. I had to learn to be the one to help her control herself and I had to learn to meet her intensity. In honesty, I learned some of that by reading Wren's posts. I am not naturally intense but I appreciated that it was needed. Different children with different parenting requirements and I'm glad that I can come to such a place to find it.