Good thoughts from all! DD is a spirited, bold child to start with (I was NOT like this and from what MIL tells me, DH wasn't either!), so DD often throws us for a loop. In addition, she is a super-verbal kiddo, with a quick mind (you REALLY have to try not to get sucked into an argument with her, because her noncompliance can start so innocently). I realized long ago that I cannot expect what I would consider "perfect" behavior from her and that I need to pick my battles, or else I'll constantly be on her case...it's hard to explain to someone who doesn't have a kid like this. Traditional discipline was never terribly effective with her - you've never seen a kid have more fun by herself on time-out (actually, being so self-entertaining DOES have an upside crazy). Taking toys or privileges away has almost no effect. Suffice it to say, she has kept me on my toes up until now! This is just adding a whole new layer to the "fun." eek