Originally Posted by ultramarina
The statistic of about 50-60% of students graduating in 6 years from 4-year colleges is widely known in education circles. To cut this to 25% is dishonest. (He might say "Well, I didn't mean 4-year colleges" but when you say "bachelor's degree"...Say what you mean and be accurate, even if it takes longer.)

You're wrong, as HowlerKarma pointed out. Webster's dictionary defines higher education as post-secondary (after high school) and the Wikipedia entry on higher education specifically lists community colleges as being part of that class. You can decide that a sophomore at UC Davis is in "higher education" but that a sophomore at the local community college isn't, but that doesn't make you correct. smile

In addition, the statistic from the video said that a quarter of those that enroll in "higher education" after high school will get a bachelor's degree. This number was actually an overestimate:

Originally Posted by CC Research Center
16.2 percent of students who started at community colleges in 2008 completed a degree at a four-year institution within six years.

While 81% of entering community college students indicate they want a bachelor's degree or higher, only 25% of entering students actually transfer to a four-year institution within five years.


Many, many students start higher education at a community college, because the costs are so much lower. Many of them fail because they don't possess the skills and knowledge necessary to succeed in college. For educators as a group to claim that they don't count as being in "higher education" and that the real graduation rate is 60% is, IMO, simply claiming that the education emperor is wearing lovely new clothes. But of course, that is what American educators do.

Last edited by Val; 06/03/15 10:13 AM.