And I will also say, DS7 pushing 8 (and is most likely in the HG+ range) still needs a lot of guidance and help in his practice. He loves the result of his practice, but would not do it without some guidance. Many suzuki teachers really want parents to be involved and practicing with their kids until 11-13. I really treat the music thing as a non-negotiable. I do try to make it as fun as possible, but it's not really an option for him at our house. In particular because it is the only thing that has consistently challenged him for the past 2+ years.