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    #159577 06/09/13 03:19 AM
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    The authors point out that the Common Core goal to make every student ready for college is unrealistic. Hacker previously wrote a widely-discussed (including here) essay "Is Algebra Necessary?"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/09/opinion/sunday/the-common-core-whos-minding-the-schools.html
    Who’s Minding the Schools?
    By ANDREW HACKER and CLAUDIA DREIFUS
    New York Times
    June 8, 2013

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    Here’s one high school math standard: Represent addition, subtraction, multiplication, and conjugation of complex numbers geometrically on the complex plane; use properties of this representation for computation. Included on New York state’s suggested reading list for ninth graders are Doris Lessing, Albert Camus and Rainer Maria Rilke. (In many parts of the country, Kurt Vonnegut and Harper Lee remain the usual fare.)

    More affluent students, as always, will have parental support. Private tutoring, already a growth industry, will become more important if passing scores on the Common Core are required for graduation. Despite worthy aims, the new standards may well deepen the nation’s social divide.

    The Common Core is not oblique in its aim: to instill “college and career readiness” in every American teenager — in theory, a highly democratic ideal. In the past, students were unabashedly tracked, which usually placed middle-class students in academic courses and their working-class peers in vocational programs. New York City had high schools for cooking, printing and needle trades. (There was even one in Brooklyn called Manual Training.) Indeed, the aim of these schools was to prepare a slice of society for blue-collar life. Since the 1960s, this has been seen as undemocratic. Today, students are typically required to take algebra, so they will have more options upon graduation (should they graduate). The irony — and tragedy — is that students who don’t surmount these hurdles now fall even further.

    Already, almost one-quarter of young Americans do not finish high school. In Utah and Oklahoma, roughly 20 percent don’t; the proportion rises to 32 percent in South Carolina and 42 percent in Nevada. What does the Common Core offer these students?

    The answer is simple. “College and career skills are the same,” Ken Wagner, New York State’s associate commissioner of education for curriculum, assessment and educational technology, told us. The presumption is that the kind of “critical thinking” taught in classrooms — and tested by the Common Core — improves job performance, whether it’s driving a bus or performing neurosurgery. But Anthony Carnevale, the director of Georgetown’s Center on Education and the Workforce, calls the Common Core a “one-size-fits-all pathway governed by abstract academic content.”

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    What's wrong with having a clearly articulated set of standards? That doesn't mean everyone should be expected to reach the same level.

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    22B the problem, I think, is that we loathe the idea of creating standards and then suggesting that not everyone will be able to meet them.

    It's viewed as non-egalitarian and toxic-- to parse people as though some of them are more "worthy" than others.

    On the one hand, I understand why that is. We don't want to be labeling people unjustly, nor are labels destiny-- or they shouldn't be, anyway.

    But on the other, a single one-size-fits-all set of "goals" is breathtaking hubris when one considers the range of individuals who are supposed to be subjected to those standards.

    No way is Common Core a good set of standards for kids with severe learning limitations. It's also not a good set of standards for kids at the other end of the ability curve. So right there, you've set up one group for failure-- by denying them vocational/technical training and the certification of basic literacy and numeracy that used to be associated with a high school diploma.

    I say, bring back Vo-Tech coursework/paths in high schools, and bring back tracking... and (and this one is NEVER popular or particularly PC, I realize) at the high school level, FADE some supports for learning disabilities. That period of time ought to be doing a better job preparing students for the challenges that their real lives are going to present them with. By all means teach them effective coping strategies, but that needs to be more realistic, too-- the hand-holding part of things is about to go away, and too many of those students are not at all prepared for that.

    We really can't all be rocket scientists-- or anything else, for that matter-- and why on earth would anyone think that was a good idea anyway?? We need plumbers, teachers, architects, carpenters and editors as well as neurosurgeons and aerospace engineers. The trick is finding something that you as a unique individual are both WELL-SUITED FOR and sparks some degree of passion for excellence within you. We've focused a lot on the latter, but far too little as of late on the former, quite frankly.

    Of course, as most of us here have observed, setting 'standards' also seems to throw away the highest potential students, too-- because they lose that spark for excellence long before they are able to actually exercise it at anything.

    Mediocrity (meets-or-exceeds standard, CHECK) is rewarded, and divergent or excellent performance is too frequently punished.

    We've built a machine to process students, not a thoughtful process to educate them, I fear.




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    Originally Posted by HowlerKarma
    The trick is finding something that you as a unique individual are both WELL-SUITED FOR and sparks some degree of passion for excellence within you. We've focused a lot on the latter, but far too little as of late on the former, quite frankly.

    I've never been able to figure out that one myself.

    I'm generally good at ending up doing things for which I am neither well-suited nor have any passion for.

    The problem is that you have to pick *something* and then you are locked in, even though the only reason that you picked anything is because you had to choose *something*.

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    Originally Posted by 22B
    What's wrong with having a clearly articulated set of standards? That doesn't mean everyone should be expected to reach the same level.

    Originally Posted by HowlerKarma
    22B the problem, I think, is that we loathe the idea of creating standards and then suggesting that not everyone will be able to meet them.

    It's okay to have instruments like rulers and scales to measure height and weight. You just want to have them callibrated well. That in no way implies that everyone is expected to be the same height and weight.

    It's good to have a clearly articulated set of standards. You can use it to say whether a person has mastered a certain level of algebra. You can use it to say whether a person is ready for calculus.

    I'm all for tracking and vocational training. I don't see how having a set of standards contradicts any of that.

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    Here's a guy who thinks that it's a "technocratic" approach.

    "I think there are some humanists who sincerely support the common core as an ideal, and I can understand their thinking, but it is naive support. The common core is a creature of the neoliberal technocratic mindset, and it will be used as one tool among many now being deployed to further dehumanize the education provided in our public schools, whatever propaganda is spewn to deny such an intent."

    http://afterthefuture.typepad.com/afterthefuture/page/2/

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    Originally Posted by 22B
    I'm all for tracking and vocational training. I don't see how having a set of standards contradicts any of that.

    Generally speaking, our public school system doesn't see it that way. The trend among educators and especially those involved in education policy is that the "achievement gap" between different SES groups MUST be closed. Ability grouping of any kind exacerbates the gap and therefore must not be allowed.

    This means that we force the slower learners to take algebra and we force the faster ones to move at a pace that's glacial for them. And then the educrats pretend that this is a good thing. The kids at the bottom of the gap arencloser to the kids at the top. Never mind that it happened because we watered down the algebra course and because we created a ceiling to stop the faster learners! And we will conveniently ignore the kids who dropped out because they couldn't pass algebra and the kids who did pass but fail the placement test in college next year and end up in remedial math.

    The entire approach is driven in large part by the idea that relative wealth is the sole factor in the achievement gap and that apparent differences in ability are not due biology in any way.

    I think that people have become very uncomfortable with the idea that some people are just smarter than other people. I can understand that this is an uncomfortable thing; I certainly feel uneasy when someone remarks that I'm very intelligent. But when we let the unease drive policy, we create a disaster.

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    Originally Posted by Val
    Originally Posted by 22B
    I'm all for tracking and vocational training. I don't see how having a set of standards contradicts any of that.

    Generally speaking, our public school system doesn't see it that way. The trend among educators and especially those involved in education policy is that the "achievement gap" between different SES groups MUST be closed. Ability grouping of any kind exacerbates the gap and therefore must not be allowed.

    This means that we force the slower learners to take algebra and we force the faster ones to move at a pace that's glacial for them. And then the educrats pretend that this is a good thing. The kids at the bottom of the gap arencloser to the kids at the top. Never mind that it happened because we watered down the algebra course and because we created a ceiling to stop the faster learners! And we will conveniently ignore the kids who dropped out because they couldn't pass algebra and the kids who did pass but fail the placement test in college next year and end up in remedial math.

    The entire approach is driven in large part by the idea that relative wealth is the sole factor in the achievement gap and that apparent differences in ability are not due biology in any way.

    I think that people have become very uncomfortable with the idea that some people are just smarter than other people. I can understand that this is an uncomfortable thing; I certainly feel uneasy when someone remarks that I'm very intelligent. But when we let the unease drive policy, we create a disaster.

    Yes. Yes. Yes. Brilliantly summed up and maddening beyond belief.

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    Originally Posted by Val
    Originally Posted by 22B
    I'm all for tracking and vocational training. I don't see how having a set of standards contradicts any of that.

    Generally speaking, our public school system doesn't see it that way. The trend among educators and especially those involved in education policy is that the "achievement gap" between different SES groups MUST be closed. Ability grouping of any kind exacerbates the gap and therefore must not be allowed.

    I'm sure you're right that some people "think" like that. But it should be made clear that there are more than two sides to this debate. I'm all for standards that can be used for measuring achievement, but am vehemently opposed to the goal of equal achievement for all.

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    Originally Posted by 22B
    I'm sure you're right that some people "think" like that. But it should be made clear that there are more than two sides to this debate. I'm all for standards that can be used for measuring achievement, but am vehemently opposed to the goal of equal achievement for all.

    I agree with you completely. But the problem is that the people in charge of the schools and a lot of the teachers really believe this stuff. It's an ideology. And you can't debate rationally. I've tried many times. They get angry or ignore the facts or dismiss them or something else or a combination of these things. They see the higher achievers as being "already proficient" and the concept that they could learn more is seen as widening the achievement gap. I haven't just debated this locally; I've been in discussions at national conferences and during grant review for a federal agency. It sucks.

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