I would have thought HG was around Lvl4 and PG lvl5?
This would be closer to my personal definition of PG. I believe that the "drive" component of Ruf's Level 5 is an important distinction of being profoundly gifted.
I am one of those that think the DYS cutoffs are lower than PG. In my opinion, not everyone accepted into DYS is profoundly gifted. Do the majority need special accomodations? Yes. Can DYS help with that? Yes. Should they apply if they need the help? Yes. I just think that Davidson's could solve a lot of confusion if they stated that they were serving the nation's gifted children, instead of profoundly gifted.
I kind of agree with CFK here - Davidson PG just isn't the PG of my imagination. I'm ok with 'Davidson PG=HG' but then I look at the IQ tests themselves, and I agree with Bob Davidson, the tests just can't measure degrees of difference anymore right around the DYS cut offs.
So do we only want to say that PG should be reserved for kids who demonstrate good work ethic and drive? What about kids who demonstrate PG level drive in non-traditional areas? My son was level 60 World of Warcraft at age 11, while limited to 30 minutes a day. At the time I wished he would pour his drive into something worthwhile. I told this to some grad students who were working on designing educational computer games that would actually attract kids, and their mouths hung open. Now that my son is 14, and voluntarily gave up WoW as a time waster, I can appreciate his accomplishment a bit more. It shows a lot of drive. What a relief that he is finally harnessing that horse up to a better wagon! But it took years of him outgrowing the worst of his ansynchrony and us sending him away for school half way across the country!!!!
So, no, I don't identify my son as PG at family reunions, (but I don't identify him as gifted either) but I do think that CFK is free to place her LOG distinctions where she wants them, and DYS are free to place their LOG distinctions where it makes sense to them. Most folks can't even decide if gifteness actually exists, let along the gradations of LOG.
The main thing is that there is no "if X, then Y" sort of way to use a catagory to legislate what sort of accomidations any individual child needs. It does seem ironic to me that the kids who are most likely to be offered gradeskips are the ones that need so much more than that.
((shrugs))
Grinity
