DS was clearly verbal from a young age. I did not think of him as mathy. At the beginning of 2nd grade, he tested at the 4th grade level for math (on NWEA tests)which is certainly strong but not amazing. But by the end of 2nd, he tested at the 8th grade level. The test didn't actually mean he was proficient at the 8th grade level, but it did tell me that he made a huge leap that year, a leap I was not expecting. He is now in 7th grade and bored in 10th grade math because it is "too easy." Math is still his weaker area, but he is still clearly more gifted in math than I would have imagined when he was little.