[quote=acs]

I think if there is an area that you have completely locked horns on, I would probably actually just take a break, give up on it since the ongoing battles tend to entrench people deeper in their positions. Once things have calmed down (after a few days) go over the situation. One of my favorite phrases with DS is "if you were the mom and I was the kid and I wouldn't brush my teeth, what would you do?" That puts their considerable brain power to work on your side!

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Good idea about the being entrenched, I'll have to give it some real thought, acs.

Keep the ideas coming as long as you want, I'm listening and hopefully learning.