Loy--yep we have tried/used that as well. But they aren't that thrilled. DD really liked Big Brainz at first so I'm not sure what happened. Maybe the novelty has just worn off. She already made it to the end so there is nothing new to "discover". She then promptly forgot half of it. I think she knows all the multiplication facts because they now do it in school, she is just kind of slow with recalling them. She fails every timed test. Her working memory was ok on the WISC, something like 96th percentile so I'm not sure why she has such a hard time with math facts. It was processing speed which was really quite poor and below 100 so that probably has something to do with it. DS's working memory was actually a lot lower than DD's on the WISC and he worked his way through Big Brainz a lot faster (even though he is 16 months younger he was ahead of DD--it drove her nuts).