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    Reading the article below makes me wonder if giftedness at gambling be recognized or encouraged by parents. Or does one think of gambling as a zero sum that children should be discouraged from, even if they may be good at it. Games with an element of chance are a natural way to teach concepts of probability. Poker has substantial elements of chance and skill. The same could be said about investing.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/magazine/mag-27Poker-t.html
    Online Poker's Big Winner
    By JAY CASPIAN KANG
    New York Times, March 25, 2011

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    Daniel Lawrence Cates was born on Nov. 14, 1989, on the Virginia side of the Beltway, and he grew up nearby in Bowie, Md. His father works in a managerial position in a technology firm. His mother works as a manager at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. He describes his childhood as �weird, a bit aloof and mostly spent alone.� Around age 6, he began to withdraw from the regular play of his classmates. �I was figuring out that my interests were different than the other kids� at school. I was never into fashion or politics or sports. So I began to spend most of my time by myself.� Most of this alone time was spent in the basement of his childhood home, where he discovered a �natural talent� for playing video games, especially Command and Conquer. Lillian Cates describes her son�s obsession with video games as �uncontrollable�: �When he was a kid, we tried to limit his video-game time and his computer time, but it was impossible.�

    At Eleanor Roosevelt High School, part of the Washington area�s network of math-and-science magnet schools, Cates was a gifted, if somewhat unmotivated, student who routinely sneaked off to the school�s computer lab to play Minesweeper, the puzzle game that has come standard with Windows since the first Bush administration. During his junior year, he began playing in local live-action poker games held in the kitchens and living rooms of people whom he describes as �not really friends.� Despite the relatively low stakes involved, Cates managed to lose several thousand dollars over a period of three months. The losses alarmed his parents, who put a freeze on his savings account. Faced with a cash-flow problem and owing $600 to a fellow player, Cates took a job at McDonald�s. But he continued to play poker with a dogged mantra. �I knew that if I just kept working at poker, my game would vastly improve,� he said. �When I started playing Minesweeper, I thought it was inconceivable that someone could clear all the mines in 90 seconds. Then I kept working at it. Before I knew it, I had accomplished what I thought was impossible. The same thing happened with poker. When I started out playing low limits, I�d look up at a guy playing with $2,000 and think, How is he doing that? He must be so good. But I just kept working at it. Eventually, everything changed.�

    Within 18 months, Cates went from routinely losing at local $5 games to winning at the highest stakes of online poker for anywhere between $10,000 and $500,000 per night. In 2010, his reported $5.5 million in online earnings was more than $1 million higher than the nearest competitor. Unlike other young poker millionaires who make the bulk of their money by winning televised tournaments � a proposition that, because of the high number of players and the unpredictability of their actions, involves roughly the same amount of luck as winning a small lottery � Cates earned his stake by grinding, the term used to describe the process of pressing a skill advantage over an extended period of time. Because poker is a game of high variance, where a significant difference in ability can be mitigated by a bad run of cards, a player�s Expected Value (E.V.) must be actualized over thousands of hands. Every year, a few dozen kids go on hot streaks and take a shot at the big time. Almost invariably, these kids are eventually ground down by higher caliber players. What made Cates�s run different wasn�t his total winnings or the speed with which he earned his millions. What caught the attention of the poker world was that the 20-year-old top online earner of 2010 won almost all of his money in head-to-head confrontations with poker�s elite.

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    Originally Posted by Bostonian
    Reading the article below makes me wonder if giftedness at gambling be recognized or encouraged by parents. Or does one think of gambling as a zero sum that children should be discouraged from, even if they may be good at it. Games with an element of chance are a natural way to teach concepts of probability. Poker has substantial elements of chance and skill. The same could be said about investing.

    Thanks for the article. I taught my son to play Texas Hold 'Em some time ago, and he plays a credible game now. I am sure he'd beat many adult dilettantes, over enough hands for skill to be the main factor. I agree with you about it being a natural way to teach probability (I have also gotten him started on calculating chances of making hands in Yahtzee). I'd probably discourage my son from being a professional gambler, unless he used winnings to free up time to do something more worthwhile with his life.


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    I went to a school with a PG boy who briefly "worked" as a professional poker player after graduating from an Ivy League school. He eventually gave it up and now has a different, highly successful career.

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    DS8 has been playing a free online game for a while. He does well without seeming to put any effort into it. He would probably be really good if he tried, but it's mostly just a time killer while we are waiting at Dr. appt. He plays it on my phone.


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    DD now 10 has been playing poker for a few years now. She started by sitting on Daddy's lap as he played a free online site....whenever he got up to do something she would take over for him LOL. The only rule we gave her was not to chat with the other people on the site since they were mostly adult and not always appropriate. She does pretty well..


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