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    First of all,

    Originally Posted by ebeth
    At the acceleration meeting, after the school had already made their recommendation, they mentioned that DS's score on the IAS was a 1.5?

    I think they were playing you. The IAS reports scores as a number from 0-80:

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    34 or fewer points: Acceleration is not recommended: Consider single-subject acceleration, mentoring, enrichment, or other alternatives.
    35-45 points: Marginal candidate for whole-grade acceleration: There is no clear recommendation. Review materials closely and carefully consider curricular alternatives.
    46-59 points: Good candidate for whole-grade acceleration: Acceleration is recommended.
    60-80: Excellent candidate for whole-grade acceleration: Acceleration is recommended.

    1.5 as a total doesn't make any sense whatsoever in regard to the IAS. frown
    Originally Posted by ebeth
    There was suppose to be parental input? You mean the school was supposed to do something other than fill out the IAS themselves??? We were never made a part of the process of filling out the IAS.

    Oh yes. From the manual itself:

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    "Team members may include one or two educators, an administrator, a counselor or school psychologist, the student's parents, and the gifted teacher if there is one.
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    To save time, the school psychologist might be asked to gather and report on all the test scores needed for the first two or three pages of the Form, while the classroom teacher(s) might be asked to gather current grade reports, standardized test results, and portfolio work.
    The team meeting or staffing will take anywhere between 1.5 to 2 hours. It should begin with a discussion of the purpose of the IAS. In the meeing, half of the time will involve discussion and filling out of the IAS form, while the other 45-60 minutes will be used to create an implementation plan by using the IAS Summary and Planning Record.

    The thing is, the IAS Manual offers some important hints in the "fine print" that the school may not pick up on but a parent certainly will -- in the instruction section. For example, it says that if you don't have an aptitude test, you can give an above level standardized test -- or norm the MAP, for example, against older kids, which is really easy to do. There's a ton of information in the back section of the manual too -- the sort of information that won't be read unless you're actually interested in using the thing right. Unfortunately, doing it right takes extra time, planning and thought.

    Here's the Participation in School Sponsored Extracurriculars section. That section is worth 0-3 points, with options:

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    --School activities are available for the studen's age or grade level, but student does not participate: 0
    --Student shows limited paricipation in available activities: 1
    --Student participates in two or more activities and does well, but has not received special recognition: 2
    --Student has a leadership role or has received recognition in one or more activities: 3

    On the face, my kindergartner hadn't done *any* of these options -- nothing was available for him as a Ker. But in the instructions section, it states that the team needs to consider outside (non-school sponsored activities) if there's nothing at school. So my ds's score would have gone from a 0 to a 2 right there. And when 24 points are made up of testing alone, those 2 points on 5 or 6 different questions make huge difference in the end recommendation.

    Or look at the "motivation" question. The options are:

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    --Student does not complete assignments and appears disinterested in schoolwork: 0
    --Student completes those tasks that are of interest to him: 1
    --Student completes virtually all assignments on time and shows a positive attitude: 2
    --Student completes most assignments more quickly and comprehensively than other classmates: 3

    Well, my ds was between 0 and 1 from the school's point of view ... he'd not color in the "b is for bird, now color the bird blue" worksheets and would instead doodle on the back of his papers. Was it because he was not into learning? No! He wasn't interested in coloring to reinforce colors and letters. It was dull, so he wouldn't do it. Is that fair, when he was doing advanced worksheets at home? I'd have given him a 2, because at least, when appropriately challenged, he'd enjoy the work.

    It was a moot point for us anyway, as he was 1 point short of the "good" category -- without any out-of-level testing -- and they wouldn't discuss it. In fact, they flat out said that they wouldn't consider accelerating anyway unless he was near the top of the "excellent" category. So it was basically an exercise in making us sit down and shut up.

    Well, we shut up and left the school. laugh

    ETA: Ah, maybe in the older edition the scoring was different? That would explain the 1.5, at least ...

    Last edited by Mia; 10/11/08 03:21 PM.

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    Thanks Mia for showing me the ins and outs of the IAS point system. Your explanation is very useful to see how the points are determined. I'm pretty sure that if they went through the IAS, then they were just going through the motions. Maybe they decided after seeing the WISC-IV results that an acceleration was a done deal already? Although, DS's second grade teacher was part of the IAS process and she was definitely going to bat for him, since the acceleration was her idea to begin with. I don't know. The only thing I remember is that they seemed to imply that a 1 on the IAS meant he was an excellent candidate, and a 2 meant that he was a good candidate. But the thing that made me extremely suspicious was that I remember the gifted instructor giving us DS's above level science score at the acceleration meeting. And then suddenly "poof", it didn't exists any more six months later? Go figure.

    Ah, the joys of running in circles with the school administrators! cry


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    Thanks Dottie. Just a brief period of insane gifted denial. Even after all of the tests, I'm still trying to figure out if one more data point will illuminate the way.

    If I just knew just one more number.... !
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    Caution az1! Even when you know what those MAP score mean, chances are good that you will still stare at them and wonder!


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    Ebeth - being in denial is a very normal part of the journey smile At a recent discussion group, I noticed that only 1 of the women was really accepting and at peace with giftedness - and she had her child tested 3 years ago! It does give me some hope that I will (eventually) get to a place of acceptance, peace, empowerment and advocacy. But not today...

    I went running with my fitness partner this morning, as we usually do on Sundays. Afterwards I saw her young daughter sitting on her bed reading "Hazel Green" - a book suitable for 10-11 year olds (or so I would think?) And then it makes me wonder if I've put too much stock into the testing data? There's no way my 7 year old would read a book like this! Perhaps I've been lulled into a huge money making industry? Perhaps I'm making unfounded decisions about acceleration? Perhaps I'm going crazy!!!

    Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...

    And then, there are other days when I feel quite normal smile


    Hang in there...jojo

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    OK - so the MAP can be used for aptitude OR achievement. GOt that. Any suggestion on which one I use it for and then which test I request for the other?

    I am going to base my concluding conversation at the conference on MAP test scores and the 2005 placement guide. I guess the 2008 placement guide is not available yet, but I do have the RIT score for 2008.

    If the MAP scores are indeed as I believe them to be I would like to request additional testing, unless he consensus is that I should wait and the request additional testing and a child study meting in writing.

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    Dottie -

    Is there a particular IQ test I should request or is there one that is typically given? Is on IQ test better than another?

    I will keep in my notes that we should, if we progress with advocacy, request the WIAT for an achievement test.



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    So he would need either the WISC-IV or SB-5 to fulfill the IASM aptitude portion, correct? COuld he use the MAP scores for the achievement portion, assuming they are high enough?

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