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    madeinuk #240250 10/26/17 11:30 AM
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    Some antics. The crusaders rampaged a lot of places filled with strangers between Constantinople and Jerusalem, many of which the Turks rampaged in turn. There's plenty of overlap.

    Dude #240251 10/26/17 12:03 PM
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    Originally Posted by Dude
    Some antics. The crusaders rampaged a lot of places filled with strangers between Constantinople and Jerusalem, many of which the Turks rampaged in turn. There's plenty of overlap.

    Which is why we need dates here.

    Otherwise, everything overlaps everything else and we all get confused as to who is the rampager and who is the rampagee.

    You can't play Crusaders and Saracens without dates. That's like playing Cowboys and Indians without guns.

    madeinuk #240252 10/26/17 12:28 PM
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    As people here know, I love a good education debate. Yet with this one...

    With Thomas Percy having made one of the two major rebuttals to this education person, there isn't much left to say, except, please pour some water on the burning stupid.

    Val #240253 10/26/17 12:44 PM
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    Originally Posted by Val

    As people here know, I love a good education debate. Yet with this one...

    With Thomas Percy having made one of the two major rebuttals to this education person, there isn't much left to say, except, please pour some water on the burning stupid.

    She taught me that math is racist.

    Armed with this new knowledge, I can now help to transform society in the right direction for the greater good.

    It will be a long war, but we will ultimately triumph over mathematics.

    Val #240254 10/26/17 12:53 PM
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    [rant]

    Actually, I will add something. Her CV boasts three degrees, but none of them could be described as STEM-y. From her CV:


    • Rochelle Gutiérrez
    • PhD, Education (Curriculum and Instruction)
    • M.A., Social Sciences Dissertation title-- Beyond Tracking: How the Beliefs, Practices, and Cultures of High School Mathematics Departments Influence Student Advancement
    • STANFORD UNIVERSITY B.A., Human Biology


    Don't be fooled by that Human Biology degree kids! I dug into it a bit and it's NOT the same as a degree in regular biology at Stanford. The human biology department has its own genetics course, for example. Students can even take a statistic class designed for education majors!

    That B.A. (instead of a B.S.) means that she opted for a "traditional liberal arts degree with a curriculum based across the natural sciences, social sciences, and humanities."


    This is going OT, but seriously, when ignorant types like this woman are taken seriously at major universities (she's a professor at like the University of Illinois) and when Silicon Valley types tell us that don't need to learn stuff because we can just do a web search, I swear that there's movement going to turn us into those grotesque lawnchair denizens from Wall E. Someday, we'll spend our days consuming tera-jumbo Slurpees and watching videos.

    And worst of all, the people leading the movement don't even know they're doing that.

    [/rant] Back to work.

    Val #240255 10/26/17 01:03 PM
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    Originally Posted by Val
    This is going OT, but seriously, when ignorant types like this woman are taken seriously at major universities (she's a professor at like the University of Illinois) and when Silicon Valley types tell us that don't need to learn stuff because we can just do a web search, I swear that there's movement going to turn us into those grotesque lawnchair denizens from Wall E. Someday, we'll spend our days consuming tera-jumbo Slurpees and watching videos.

    And worst of all, the people leading the movement don't even know they're doing that.

    Don't worry.

    There's a standard-issue feedback loop that fixes this problem.

    Eventually, we run out of spare energy/educated population capacity to actually extend the stupid any further, or even sustain the stupid at a steady state.

    Granted, this results in a severe catastrophic negative outcome for everyone depending on the continuation of the stupid.

    But, it definitely solves the problem.

    Val #240256 10/26/17 01:09 PM
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    Originally Posted by Val
    I swear that there's movement going to turn us into those grotesque lawnchair denizens from Wall E. Someday, we'll spend our days consuming tera-jumbo Slurpees and watching videos.

    And worst of all, the people leading the movement don't even know they're doing that.

    That is the lifestyle that they lead for themselves today, so I'm not sure they understand that it might even be a problem.

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    I did not read the entire thread, but, when people run out of material for writing books, they then, try to make math about race, it seems. She does not know what the Hindu-Arabic numeral system is.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu–Arabic_numeral_system

    It is quite possible to be deeply ignorant if one is never taught about it in the textbooks that the elementary schools she went to used. It is also possible to be so ignorant if one is completely lacking in curiosity to do a simple Wiki lookup of what the origin of the number system she uses is. Certainly, no "whiteness" in its origin that I know of.

    ashley #240258 10/26/17 01:26 PM
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    Originally Posted by ashley
    I did not read the entire thread, but, when people run out of material for writing books, they then, try to make math about race, it seems. She does not know what the Hindu-Arabic numeral system is.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu–Arabic_numeral_system

    It is quite possible to be deeply ignorant if one is never taught about it in the textbooks that the elementary schools she went to used. It is also possible to be so ignorant if one is completely lacking in curiosity to do a simple Wiki lookup of what the origin of the number system she uses is. Certainly, no "whiteness" in its origin that I know of.

    You do not seem to understand that mathematics is inherently racist.

    Read the article referenced at the beginning of this thread again.

    It clearly explains the racist nature of mathematics as well as why we need to engage in total war against mathematics itself.

    We must win this war.

    JonLaw #240259 10/26/17 01:56 PM
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    Originally Posted by JonLaw
    Originally Posted by ashley
    I did not read the entire thread, but, when people run out of material for writing books, they then, try to make math about race, it seems. She does not know what the Hindu-Arabic numeral system is.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu–Arabic_numeral_system

    It is quite possible to be deeply ignorant if one is never taught about it in the textbooks that the elementary schools she went to used. It is also possible to be so ignorant if one is completely lacking in curiosity to do a simple Wiki lookup of what the origin of the number system she uses is. Certainly, no "whiteness" in its origin that I know of.

    You do not seem to understand that mathematics is inherently racist.

    Read the article referenced at the beginning of this thread again.

    It clearly explains the racist nature of mathematics as well as why we need to engage in total war against mathematics itself.

    We must win this war.

    Ok, I understand. I love math, but since it is inherently racist, I will wage war against all known forms of mathematics cry

    /off to cook dinner without using that racist math in my recipes

    PS: Someone should let this professor know that it is OK to be not good at math. It takes all kinds to make the world, whatever floats your boat etc etc.
    PS2: It is completely OK to take a stand against math based on the skin color of its origin and you may become a Professor one day who tells other teachers how to teach math.

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