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    #212943 03/18/15 10:35 AM
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    I recently purchased an an old pre-algebra book by Mary Dolciani (I got my copy for much less than advertised at that link). I also bought a slightly newer edition for peanuts.

    I wanted to compare old pre-algebra books with the newer ones. IMO, today's math books are dog's dinners of mashed up concepts that fail to present material in a coherent way. Their shortcomings are exacerbated by problems that use ideas that haven't been taught yet. Yes, they really are that bad.

    So I have this book from 1973 sitting in front of me and have gone through it. The difference between pre-algebra in the 21st century and the older books is astounding. Bottom line: they're completely different courses.

    The new books dive into variables in chapter 1. By Chapter 3, students are solving thorny inequality problems (it takes 2 chapters to get to these problems in a good algebra 1 book). The sections on decimals are actually just messy variable equations that happen to have decimals as coefficients. And the fractions...oh dear, the fractions. eek

    Etc.

    The Dolciani books from 1973 and 1977 are from a different world. In looking at the 1973 book, it was clearly designed as a year-long review ensuring that students had a solid understanding of maths up to an 8th grade level. Kids who already had this understanding at the end of 8th grade were expected to take Algebra 1 in 9th grade --- thus, unlike today, there was no expectation that pre-algebra was a requirement for algebra 1.

    Pre-algebra was simply a review for students who needed to hone their math skills. I'll write a separate message at lunctime with the details, but the basic idea is that students were given a solid foundation in elementary and junior high math concepts: Let's practice arithmetic and learn mathematical properties. Let's learn about different counting systems and how to convert between (for example) base 5 and base 10. Let's learn about the number line, and fractions, and negative numbers, and basic geometry, and statistics. Etc..

    In looking through this book, it's easy to see that the authors understood that some students needed an extra year of review before they were ready for algebra. The material is presented in an orderly way, and stuff in later chapters reinforces stuff from earlier chapters. In looking back, I'd say about half my 9th grade class fit into this category --- and the teachers were not "at fault." No one was. Some students just weren't ready for Algebra 1 in 9th grade, and that was completely okay.

    As I think about it, I wonder if these old books could be effective tools for parents here looking for a way to compact the late elementary and middle school curricula, while doing so in an orderly fashion.


    I honestly don't understand how a student can be led through the new books and understand any of it in a meaningful way (unless a parental unit or tutor is filling in all the gaps). I suppose that these books play a role in the proliferation of places like Kumon and the Mathnasium, which use mathematically correct proprietary curricula.

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    Originally Posted by Val
    The new books dive into variables in chapter 1. By Chapter 3, students are solving thorny inequality problems (it takes 2 chapters to get to these problems in a good algebra 1 book). The sections on decimals are actually just messy variable equations that happen to have decimals as coefficients. And the fractions...oh dear, the fractions. eek

    Etc.

    . . .

    Pre-algebra was simply a review for students who needed to hone their math skills. I'll write a separate message at lunctime with the details, but the basic idea is that students were given a solid foundation in elementary and junior high math concepts: Let's practice arithmetic and learn mathematical properties. Let's learn about different counting systems and how to convert between (for example) base 5 and base 10. Let's learn about the number line, and fractions, and negative numbers, and basic geometry, and statistics. Etc..



    I honestly don't understand how a student can be led through the new books and understand any of it in a meaningful way (unless a parental unit or tutor is filling in all the gaps). I suppose that these books play a role in the proliferation of places like Kumon and the Mathnasium, which use mathematically correct proprietary curricula.


    I see what you are getting at regarding quality and the Dolciani text in fact may be a great review for elementary kids. However, these old-fashioned books would not work well as a pre-algebra text in many places, including our district, as it would be too much review and not enough coverage in preparation for our GT Algebra I and GT Geometry courses. However, I have to admit that I much preferred DS's pre-algebra text (1999 (?) McDougal Littrell) better than DD's "modern" 21st century Univ. of Chicago text, but actaully partly because it provided more sophisticated coverage, including a small section on Trigonometry.

    Anyhow, our spiraling curriculum plus proliferation of elementary algebra and elementary geometry topics mean that students enrolling in Pre-Algebra today are supposed to be in a different place than 50 years ago. A pre-requisite to Pre-Algebra is mastery of fractions and decimals. In our district, to get an acceleration to Pre-Algebra in 5th grade (rather than 6th for standard GT) required passing a test that emphasizes mastery of fractions and decimals. After taking this test, DS11 accelerated to Pre-Algebra a couple of years ago for 4th grade and it would have been painful for him if that course ended up only covering review rather than gave him an actual taste of both Algebra and Geometry (as well as Trigonometry). He is an outlier but DD11 not so much (as regards math at least) and for her it would still have been too much painful review as even her current Pre-Algebra course still moves too slowly. That is true for the better "GT" students at her school. Having said all that, it may well be that non-GT students would benefit from the old-fashioned approach but I don't have the education background to determine that.

    Regarding Kumon, I am not sure that their curriculum is adequate. DS has a classmate who is doing Pre-calculus with Kumon but it always looks like Algebra to him. For example, one of the times that she asked DS' help with her Kumon Pre-calculus homework, it just required factoring quadratics, a skill that DS covered in his Algebra I course.

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