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I thought the trend is interesting. And I think any stories over 5 years old don't pertain. Just like general hiring practices. thousands apply to a job posting, so there are computer generated programs and sort through looking for word groupings.
Maybe someone has created a school search app to define the applicants better. Maybe they have some psychologist that has suggested that applicants that go to competitive schools are going to be "hungrier" workers, striving for more excellence. I don't know, just thinking about the trend.

While attending an elite school (known for the STEM discipline) as a STEM student, I took summer STEM courses at two different state universities and now work at a state university. If the textbooks were the common ones and not written by the professor teaching the course, the courses were still definitely different. The homework and testing were the main thing. Testing at the state school were often multiple choice (I went through 4 yrs of elite school without ever filling out a bubble) and the homeworks were far more challenging. The homework at the elite school were impossible to figure out on your own unless you were that top 1% of the students. The homework from the state schools were problems in the book. State school tests were typically easy enough to have a grading system without or with only a small curve. Additional problem books from the bookstore would actually be useful. Those books were useless to me at the elite university, as our test questions were far far more complex, combining multiple principles into one problem. Elite school has an army of TAs who can assess and assign partial credit because each one just grades one question. The average grade in a lower level course was never in the 70s also below and often far below and everything was graded on a curve with a C/B- as the mean. We never had questions that just asked for a definition. Every test was open notes, open book because you had to know how to apply multiple principles together to solve a problem.
The other consideration is that MIT, Stanford and others have no problem providing their lectures and books online because they know the value of an elite education is outside the lecture hall.

SAT correlation with IQ? Basic Automatic B.S. Essay Language Generator.

For a few thousand dollars, an SAT coach can teach your child to generate their own BS.

SAT scores and IQ were correlated with socioeconomic status even before there was an essay section on the SAT. Dude, if there is an expensive magic pill that I can give my children in 11th grade to make them do better on their SAT, SAT subject tests, AP exams, etc., please let me know about it. We'll buy the pills in addition to doing what we are already doing. In reality, the advantages of higher SES children, to the extent that they are not genetic, are due to the environment that their parents foster over many years, both directly and by selecting the peer groups of their children.

Yes. And now there's an essay section, so the correlation between IQ and SAT score is broken. It goes deeper than that, though: http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/1...ay-not-correlate-to-higher-iq/63200.html


The correlation between SES and SAT score remains strong, because teaching to the test and extensive test coaching work, and those are things you can buy, even though they don't make you any smarter.

Looking at the SAT Total Group Score Report http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/research/2013/TotalGroup-2013.pdf , the correlation of household income and SAT score is similar for the three sections of the SAT, so if the correlation IQ and composite SAT score has been broken (which I doubt), it was not by adding the writing section.

I'm pretty sure I said, "It goes deeper than that, though," and then posted a link to an article that explained more in depth, so you're basically knocking down a straw man.

And even the linked article doesn't cover it entirely, because the modification to remove more obscure words from the verbal section was only announced this year. Incrementally, the SAT has been changed over time to make it less meaningful a measure of IQ. This is why Mensa dropped it as a qualifying test as of 1994.

Meanwhile, while all these changes are going on, everyone is still citing statistics of SAT/IQ correlation as of 2003.

But we only have the rear view mirror!

These massive compilations of data take time to assemble and filter through the system, ultimately incorporating them into the entire corporate world system so that adequate adjustments to the college student processing and sorting system can be made in order to improve efficiency, and ultimately, competitive profitability.

By 2030, we will have a better idea of what's going on right now and at that time, the board will revisit potential future systemic adjustments depending on current GDP growth rates and monetary velocity.

There are psychologists who are aware of changes in the SAT who still think it measures IQ. Here is an article from 2014:

http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...al_intelligence_predicts_school_and.html
Yes, IQ Really Matters:
Critics of the SAT and other standardized testing are disregarding the data.
By David Z. Hambrick and Christopher Chabris
Slate
April 14, 2014

That's not the only factor. I frequently defend the SAT, but the College Board, which produces it, is increasingly dishonest or at least willfully uninformed about why the SAT is predictive. The SAT used to stand for "Scholastic Aptitude Test", and "aptitude" sounds a lot like intelligence. But they dropped the term "aptitude", because retaining it raises the question of whether groups have different average scholastic aptitudes, since their SAT average scores differ. Since the College Board does *not* want to talk about that, it will *not* do any research correlating SAT scores with IQ. At the same time, if it eliminated the g loading of the SAT, its ability to predict college grades would decline substantially. So the College Board tries to make the SAT look like less of an IQ test (dropping analogies, and soon, "obscure words") while still being enough of one to retain value.