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Oops. Five percent. #187557 04/08/14 01:19 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,299 Likes: 2 California Val OP Member
OP Val Member Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,299 Likes: 2 California	Acceptances at elite colleges are at an all time low. It's now easier to get an NIH grant than it is to get into Stanford! Originally Posted by Caption under photo in article A generation ago, it was rare for even highly competitive colleges to offer places to fewer than 20 percent of their applicants. This is one of those occasions when old so-and-sos like me (went to college in the 80s) are correct when we say that things really were better when we were kids. Nice: Originally Posted by Somewhere in that article �One of the ways that colleges are measured is by the number of applicants and their admit rate, and some colleges do things simply to increase their applicant pool and manipulate those numbers,� said Christoph Guttentag, the dean of undergraduate admission at Duke.

Re: Oops. Five percent. Val #187558 04/08/14 01:25 PM
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HowlerKarma Member Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 5,181	Yeah-- wow. Of course, how much of this is being driven by the Elite College Marketing Machine, though? Anyone know what the curve looks like in terms of number of applicants v. number of seats at UChi over the past ten years, for example? They went from a staunch "we won't play that game" to playing with a great deal of enthusiasm over the past maybe 3-5y... and that's when their admit rate went through the floor, not coincidentally. Haha-- I posted before Val put that last quote in. I didn't even need to fully read the link first. This is (to me, anyway) a seriously obvious reason for a school to have a sub 10% acceptance rate; particularly if it was at one time in the not-terribly-hazy-past above 20% or so. Marketing drives applications. Why would that be desirable?? Well, USNWR. "Selectivity" rankings based on admit %. Schr�dinger's cat walks into a bar. And doesn't.

Re: Oops. Five percent. Val #187562 04/08/14 01:29 PM
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JonLaw Member Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,007 The Sub-Tropics	How does USNWR still even exist?

Re: Oops. Five percent. Val #187567 04/08/14 01:46 PM
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22B Member 2 Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,228	It's just X/Y where X stayed the same and Y got bigger. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Re: Oops. Five percent. Val #187568 04/08/14 01:49 PM
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Wren Member W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,691 Likes: 1	Anything written about how competitive it is to get into grad programs. Many people here think that kid goes to Penn State undergrad and then elite for grad, but isn't that getting harder?

Re: Oops. Five percent. Wren #187571 04/08/14 01:54 PM
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JonLaw Member Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,007 The Sub-Tropics	Originally Posted by Wren Anything written about how competitive it is to get into grad programs. Many people here think that kid goes to Penn State undergrad and then elite for grad, but isn't that getting harder? Not for law school.

Re: Oops. Five percent. 22B #187572 04/08/14 02:26 PM
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OP Val Member Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,299 Likes: 2 California	Originally Posted by 22B It's just X/Y where X stayed the same and Y got bigger. Nothing to see here folks, move along. Sort of, but not really. The college admissions arms race has drastically changed the composition of the top chunk of students. So it's very different. A generation ago, you didn't have to do umpteen activities and have perfect grades and perfect or near-perfect SAT scores to get in. Last edited by Val; 04/08/14 02:27 PM.

Re: Oops. Five percent. Wren #187575 04/08/14 02:59 PM
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Thomas Percy Member T Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 206	Originally Posted by Wren Anything written about how competitive it is to get into grad programs. Many people here think that kid goes to Penn State undergrad and then elite for grad, but isn't that getting harder? I heard of one good not great ( 20-25ish) Economics Ph.D program got 700 applications for 20 spots. So that is like 3%?

Re: Oops. Five percent. Val #187771 04/09/14 06:37 PM
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Tallulah Member T Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 480	Post docs, too. It's the ease of application now, apparently. Once the chaff has been sorted there are no more good applicants than before, it's just easier to apply even at places where you don't have a chance of getting a spot. (this is post doc, not undergrad. I know nothing about undergrad, and think I'll just send my kids to ColinsMum when the time comes) Last edited by Tallulah; 04/09/14 06:38 PM.

Re: Oops. Five percent. Val #187779 04/09/14 08:22 PM
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aquinas Member A Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,513 Likes: 1	Originally Posted by Tallulah and think I'll just send my kids to ColinsMum when the time comes Would that we could all find a teacher with her mind! What is to give light must endure burning.

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