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It's usually not just one book. My friend's kid lost her privledges because she lost five books. That's $30 even at the thrifty rate. And she's a reader. The kid reads books. But, for now she has lost her access to the library. What I'm describing is the grey area in between.
Here, people work. They are employed (oilfield). They are not well educated and many have large families starting as teenagers. Everybody has food in their belly and there's no homeless children. Two years ago less than half of the kids passed the math standards test for the year. They raised it to over 90% by afterschool tutoring at the school. That's probably waaay TMI, but these articles always leave it out that not everybody is going to college, or even thinks much of it. If the system is getting easier to "game" maybe it's getting better at sorting the people who want an education from those who don't. And from what everybody says there's not enough seats in the good schools for people who want theid kids to have a good education. Why not try to make the schools fit the peoples needs in stead of trying to make the people fit one idea of "a good education".
If a kid lives in the ghetto you need to make his school a safe haven and teach basic literacy. If a kid lives in the oilfield you need to teach him votech in case he doesn't finish school he has something to fall back on. If too many people are hyperfocused on gaming the system it's because you need to build more good schools in those neighborhoods. Nodding my head yes in agreement with you. I've seen more than my share of kids who had no real business in college.... and grew up with a fair number who went to work in the mills or the woods rather than finish high school. Where are the options for THOSE kids? Should we say that they "don't care about education?" I think that wrongly labels them as clods when the reality is that they may just not care about THAT KIND of education. Frustrating.
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If you're talking about taxes and social services you're talking about much more than just the school system. Children don't just exist in a vacuum until they show up at school. That's the real meaning that I think we can all agree upon. What to DO about it remains elusive, and I think we're just discussing why that is. Also-- what DOES that mean in terms of ignoring gifted children's needs?
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If you're talking about taxes and social services you're talking about much more than just the school system. I don't see how anything less than a fully integrated policy suite achieves any of the desired goals of a well functioning education system.
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I just brought it up because threads are really never locked here, but when they are it's because the conversation got too broad beyond the topic of gifted needsz
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although I guess thinking about the state of the world's problems feels like a gifted responsibility.
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yes. a well functioning education system would definately meet all the gifted kids needs better. i vote yes!
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If you're talking about taxes and social services you're talking about much more than just the school system. Children don't just exist in a vacuum until they show up at school. That's the real meaning that I think we can all agree upon. What to DO about it remains elusive, and I think we're just discussing why that is. Also-- what DOES that mean in terms of ignoring gifted children's needs? I just find it hysterical that we daily read here about the struggles that ivy-league graduate, PG parents, who have food security and live in safe neighborhoods and can take time from work to meet with schools have getting their gifted kids an appropriate education but if parents with a high school degree living in poverty struggle some believe it is because they have inferior values and are lazy. edited for typos
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In all seriousness, that IS why I brought it up in the first place. It is very troubling to me that there is just more and more and more evidence supporting the idea that the school system itself is meeting NOBODY's needs very well, and that those of higher SES just have the means to do something about it for their own children. But that is leaving an awful lot of real talent behind, I fear. 
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I just find it hysterical that we daily read here about the struggles that ivy-league graduate, PG parents, who have food security and live in safe neighborhoods and can take time from work to meet with schools have getting their gifted kids an appropriate education but if parents with a high school degree living in poverty struggle some believe it is because they have inferior values and are lazy. I don't think anyone made that claim.
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I just find it hysterical that we daily read here about the struggles that ivy-league graduate, PG parents, who have food security and live in safe neighborhoods and can take time from work to meet with schools have getting their gifted kids an appropriate education but if parents with a high school degree living in poverty struggle some believe it is because they have inferior values and are lazy. +1
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