E-beth, we cross-posted. But, I agree. That's why I think az should take the postion of information gathering before attempting to advocate. You have to be confident about what you are advocating for.

At one point, when they actually started listening to me, I was asked what I wanted them to do. Ummmmmm, I didn't have an answer, because I was too busy trying to make sure they did something. Nutty. BTW, that was.........awkward.