When I helped out in DS's classroom, there were a couple of kids who were goofing off all the time, refusing to do their work, and generally being pains in the behind. But when I worked with them one-on-one they were amazing, verbally adept, clever, and funny. They were never going to get ID'd and their families were not in a position to recognize their abilities and advocate for them. I did do some advocating, but not to the degree a parent would. These are the kids that I really worry about, the ones who don't have parents to speak up for them and say, "hey, you know, i think I know why DS might be acting up in your class..." These are the ones I thought of when I saw Cathy's comments about the Gifted kids who aren't ID'd. There must be a lot of them.