Hi Mich,

Thank you so much for your really helpful parsing of these subtests and their potential indications! I will print out your comments and bring them to our meeting with her original SB5 evaluator (she may not be as familiar with the WISC), I imagine they could be helpful. At this point I would really like to understand her learning style better...as we're trying to figure out how to match her learning environment and approaches to: her.

So it sounds like you see a pattern more consistent with a verbal learner rather than a visual-spatial or right brained learner?

They did do a Grey Oral, she really tanked. The second tester got scores:

Fluency= 6
Reading Rate= 6
Reading Accuracy= 5
Oral Reading Quotient= 73


Since you wondered, CTOPP scores were:

Elision= 10
Blending Words= 13
Rapid Color Naming= 9
Rapid Object Naming= 8

Standard Scores:

Phonological Awareness= 109
Rapid Naming= 91

For an even MORE complete picture, here are scores and a partial explanation of findings from the 3rd tester who drilled down on reading issues.

On the Kaufman Test of Educational Achievement-2



Letter and Word Recognition, standard score 99, 47th percentile

Nonsense Word Decoding, standard score 102, 55th percentile

Phonological Awareness, standard score 86, 18th percentile (this subtest evaluates skills related to learning to read and require her to rhyme words, break words down into individual sounds or phonemes, and repeat words after omitting individual sounds. She made a few errors on the Segmenting and Deleting Sounds portions of this subtest which resulted in her low average score

Written Expression, standard score 104, 61st percentile

Test of Written Spelling � 4, standard score 95, 37th percentile

Listening Comprehension � Standard score 126, 96th percentile

Gray Oral Reading Tests -4; I only gave her the reading fluency part, so I didn�t ask her the comprehension questions. She obtained a Fluency score of 7 at the 16th percentile, which is in the low average range.


She's not been diagnosed with ADHD or ever been medicated. It was just that the 2nd tester who did the recent full neuropsych eval thought she saw a lot of signs of it during testing and recommended immediately starting medication. However, the first, year ago IQ tester, and the 3rd, follow-up reading disorder tester saw no signs of it. So...dunno. I am taking the ADHD dx with a grain of salt. I'd like to tackle LD's, and change school environments first to see what happens.

Medication is such a big deal...yikes.