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Oh Cricket! We were having such fun 
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Any thoughts - if you have a chance Thx I guess I�ve finally found my party trick! Yippee! ISTP So for SPs, The S is very dominant and the T vs. F line can be a bit fuzzy. Since you are an I, expect your strongest strength (S) to be held private, so the your Second strongest, T is what people see. By this stage of life, you probably have, or soon will, develop your 3rd function � F. As for the P � well you are predicted to answer that you would enjoy Scenario #2 more. Another way to look at the question of P vs. J, is to imagine that you had a collection that you treasured. Now imagine 2 situations and ask yourself which feels more yummy.
Scenario #1 - you finally collect the last item which could be added to your collection - you have 'caught them all' as they say in Pokemon!
Scenario #2 - You have been collecting for a long time, and you suddenly realize that this particular collection is infinite, and you can go on adding to it forever! I can guess that OEs are quite an issue for ISTPs. You notice every detail in a very internal way. People see you as fair and reasonable on the outside. The P keeps the T open-minder � but you love those big ideals �Truth, Justice, Fairness and in the end will sacrifice to choose them. So it�s not scientific, that�s fine with me � if the shoe fits, enjoy it, and if it doesn�t give it a toss! Enjoy, Grinity
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My family (mom, sister, in-laws) all did the Meyers-Briggs for fun over Christmas vacation about 10 years ago. It provided hours of entertainment!
I was an INTJ (DH was an ENTP). I guess opposites attract? I do see how the I versus E and the J versus P can cause some conflicts . . . at least we are both NTs.
I just re-did the test tonight and I'm still an INTJ, but less I and more J than I used to be -- a natural progression with age?? I have always been almost 50/50 T and F.
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ISTJ, when I took this 30 years ago it was the same, I guess some things don't change with age,lol
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It provided hours of entertainment!
I was an INTJ - I have always been almost 50/50 T and F. So you are a good example of the 'unscientific nature' of MBTI. Theoretically, you would be a really strong T, with Sensing as your Third Function, so your N vs. S 'should be' the one to be 50/50. It's worth a read of the INTP type description and see if it fit you overall any better than INTJ. Which strength feels 'strongest and most private' - the N or the T? If it's the N, you may well be a P, although not as strong a P as your DH. Lots of Moms adopt J habits because if they don't the family will fall apart. Alternatively, you could be a very Strong T, but because your really are a J, T is your first strength, which as a good Introvert you keep it 'close to the vest.' Throw in the 'socialized as a female' factor, and that could account for your scoring, It may be that your T is very strong indeed, but you have learned to also use the socially preferred for females F strength. Just for curiosity - are you 'good at S' when you need to be, or is lack of S at the bottom of most of your missteps in life? And it may just plain be that the poor theory has reached the end of it's predictive powers. I was on a pretty good role there for a while. Smiles, Grinity
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Funny, I was just about to edit my post to say that I was pretty equal on both N/S and T/F. I am strongly I and J, no doubts there.
I am the "got them all" Pokemon collector. And my idea of a good party is having one close friend over for dinner.
I think my career (scientist) has made me more T than I might have been otherwise. I think I am maybe really an INFJ who was pushed towards T by her environment. And I really did waver between science/art throughout my undergraduate degree . . .
What would good at S look like?
You are on a roll for sure!
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In case you were wondering: The J vs. P is very important for predicting which other scale will be most 'noticeable.'
So for Ps like La Tex and I, The N is very dominant and the T vs. F line can be a bit fuzzy. This is true for me. I'm a T sure, but not as strongly as I am an N!
For Js, like our DHs, The N-S is predicted to be more near the midline, with shades of both, while the F is a super F. One couldn't convince a FJ to 'listen to reason' (Although they would self report being as logical as Spock.) DH says to me: "You aren't very Romantic."
Grinity Interesting. I'm very strong INT (nearly 100% on each) and practically 51/49 on P and J on every test I've taken. It always ends up P, but just barely. Weirdly, Adhoc, you can work backwards. Every has all four styles (N,S,T,F) - so you can figure out if you are a P or a J by looking at your 3rd strongest - are you more able to function in S or more comfortable using the powers of F? (Or you ask the same question by looking for your greatest weakness - are you more likely to fall into a covered hole in life that you would have seen with an F power or a S power? Clearly for me it's S!! You've all seen me spell- That makes me a P!) If your S is more noticeable than your F you are probably a J, or if you are more at home with your F than your S, then you are probably a P. There are even charts which state at what age the 3rd function usually develops - which I've forgotten (30-50 years old is my guess - I was precocious LOL!) They say most people never get to fully develop their 4th function, but personally, I totally plan to do this - I think the meditation will help. Another way to look at the question of P vs. J, is to imagine that you had a collection that you treasured. Now imagine 2 situations and ask yourself which feels more yummy. Senario #1 - you finally collect the last item which could be added to your collection - you have 'caught them all' as they say in Pokemon! Senario #2 - You have been collecting for a long time, and you suddenly realize that this particular collection is infinite, and you can go on adding to it forever! Smiles, Grinity I'm definitely "stronger" in the F, rather than the S and I'm noticing this more as I grow older (to be expected based on what you've said above), so I guess the P makes sense. It's funny - when I was a kid, we had a pinata in our classroom one year that had lots of candy and some change in it. When it finally broke, I ran out there and grabbed exactly three pennies and nothing more. All of this while kids were filling their pockets with anything they could find. Why? Because I had recently counted my pennies at home and had 3,997 of them. I knew it was an infinite collection, but I really wanted to have exactly 4,000 for a brief period of time. Then I kept collecting for the future after that. I've always been that 50/50 J&P. I want them both. But I am slightly more P in the end. The J in me makes the lists. The P in me puts them aside and forgets to use them. 
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It's funny - when I was a kid, we had a pinata in our classroom one year that had lots of candy and some change in it. When it finally broke, I ran out there and grabbed exactly three pennies and nothing more. All of this while kids were filling their pockets with anything they could find. Why? Because I had recently counted my pennies at home and had 3,997 of them. I knew it was an infinite collection, but I really wanted to have exactly 4,000 for a brief period of time. Then I kept collecting for the future after that. I've always been that 50/50 J&P. I want them both. But I am slightly more P in the end. The J in me makes the lists. The P in me puts them aside and forgets to use them. Great Pinata Story! That is a lot of 'J' for a P to have, but it a way, how P is it to want to experience every nuance of having a collection, including the feeling of having an large, entirely round, number of coins. A J would be 'more anxious' until the goal was reached and 'return to a more relaxed state' after achieving it. How did you feel while waiting for the Pinata? Did you consciously have a plan the grab the 3 pennies for your collection? Would you have accepted 3 pennies for a different source if you say, found them on the street in February, or did they HAVE to be from the Pinata? Was it a tremendous release the finally have reached your goal? It's perfectly fine to be a P with lots of J in the soul. In general the MBTI folks have lots of room for folks to have lots of variety in their behavior and ideas, but they seem to feel that it's important to learn about oneself by knowing the 'factory setting' that one was born with. My DH is a SJ, and also experiences numbers in a way similar to how I experience visual art. We celebrate all the 'fun' dates on the calendar because he notices them. I'm happy if I know the day of the week! I'm not really sure which Letter of MBTI is involved with 'tasting numbers' but I'll let you know if I figure out anything. Love and More Love, Grinity
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Funny
What would good at S look like?
You are on a roll for sure!  One could be said to have a nice S if one is skilled at noticing and keeping in mind details of the physical world. It's my personal covered trap, so I've very aware of it. Do you bring in the exact right number of shopping bags for your shop? Do you have perfect pitch? Do you know the date? Is my shirt on inside out? Do my socks match? I could go on and on! Some Ss know how many chairs are in the room soon after they walk in the door. Some will be able to remember which username goes with which story (I go back and look them up!) S is a lovely skill. Love and More Love, Grinity
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Well, I guess I'm somewhat S (I'm the one who knows where to find everything in the house), at least I'm alot more S than DH and DS11 who are really, really *not* S. But, on the other hand, I rarely know what the date is (and sometimes even forget what season it is) and have been known to wear two different socks. My DS6 is a real S, and lets me know which day of the four day school cycle they are on (who would think up a 4 day cycle with a 5 day school week -- not me!!)
Really, my S/N and F/T are not very clear, but if I had to choose, I am INFJ . . . . I guess we are all a work in progress . . .
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