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    HowlerKarma,

    Thanks for the links! I came up as an "Idealist". I have worn (and still wear) several of the hats under that category, so it seems pretty accurate, based on my huge sample size of n=1.

    I'm an ENFP/INFP, and always have been (I sit very close to the line on introversion/extroversion), and one of the type characteristics for both of these is that we like to do many different things. My mother, an INTJ, was always exhorting me to "Pick one thing and stick with it!"

    What was that you were saying about multi-potentiality?

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    Originally Posted by adhoc
    [grinity]
    In case you were wondering: The J vs. P is very important for predicting which other scale will be most 'noticeable.'

    So for Ps like La Tex and I, The N is very dominant and the T vs. F line can be a bit fuzzy. This is true for me. I'm a T sure, but not as strongly as I am an N!

    For Js, like our DHs, The N-S is predicted to be more near the midline, with shades of both, while the F is a super F. One couldn't convince a FJ to 'listen to reason' (Although they would self report being as logical as Spock.) DH says to me: "You aren't very Romantic."

    Grinity

    Interesting. I'm very strong INT (nearly 100% on each) and practically 51/49 on P and J on every test I've taken. It always ends up P, but just barely. [/quote]
    Weirdly, Adhoc, you can work backwards. Every has all four styles (N,S,T,F) - so you can figure out if you are a P or a J by looking at your 3rd strongest - are you more able to function in S or more comfortable using the powers of F? (Or you ask the same question by looking for your greatest weakness - are you more likely to fall into a covered hole in life that you would have seen with an F power or a S power? Clearly for me it's S!! You've all seen me spell- That makes me a P!)

    If your S is more noticeable than your F you are probably a J, or if you are more at home with your F than your S, then you are probably a P.

    There are even charts which state at what age the 3rd function usually develops - which I've forgotten (30-50 years old is my guess - I was precocious LOL!) They say most people never get to fully develop their 4th function, but personally, I totally plan to do this - I think the meditation will help.

    Another way to look at the question of P vs. J, is to imagine that you had a collection that you treasured. Now imagine 2 situations and ask yourself which feels more yummy.
    Senario #1 - you finally collect the last item which could be added to your collection - you have 'caught them all' as they say in Pokemon!
    Senario #2 - You have been collecting for a long time, and you suddenly realize that this particular collection is infinite, and you can go on adding to it forever!
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    Interesting. I'm an INTJ, which fits (I have a Ph.D. in a science field). I'm strongly I, just barely on the N side of the line for N-S and moderately T & J.

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    Originally Posted by MidwestMom
    Interesting. I'm an INTJ, which fits (I have a Ph.D. in a science field). I'm strongly I, just barely on the N side of the line for N-S and moderately T & J.
    So that fits the theory nicely -
    that INTs who are Js Use Thinking first, Then N, Followed by S (explains why the N and S are close - you've done a good job developing your 3rd function,) with F being you 'cover hole' in life.

    Since you are I not E, I would predict that your First strength (Thinking) is private and held 'close to the chest' and not something others notice first about you, and that what you are likely to let others see is you N function. So being a Female T probably hasn't been an issue for others, since they don't see it. Perhaps more of an issue internally?

    Does that seem 'about right?'

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    Grinity, great job of describing how the various functions interact with each other. I was almost 100% NF, 51% I and 60% P.

    When you mention how Ts differ from Fs, I can describe what it is like for me. Rather than coming up with one set of reasoning for a given issue, I come up with many different thoughts. Even the thoughts I come up with leave me with the feeling there may be a better way or possibly some negative aspect of the best of these thoughts. In other cases, I feel all thoughts have some validity with each being better in certain circumstances or better for different people. A lot of the reasoning behind the negative aspects was hidden in my younger years and only triggered a feeling. Now, I am often consciously aware of the negative reasoning. I am not entirely sure all NFPs are as consciously aware of all the individual pieces of reasoning as I am.

    Being an I/ENFP makes it much more difficult to come to a decision, but I feel the reasoning is still good. It also affects my communication as I try to add in the words to describe the uncertainty in the reasoning, even when it is the same as a TJ or TP individual. There is also the issue of having to take a subset of these many thoughts and then having to further summarize them. For every commment I make on a forum for instance, I have 10 or more pages of thoughts on many different sides of the same issue. I would also describe each of these many internal thoughts as being more STJ internally and then are combined to be NFP externally. I think this is why us Fs often come across as being somewhat in agreement with almost anything someone says, we have a similar thought, but feel there is more to it.

    My interest in this topic is such, I could talk about it a lot, but I also don't want to hijack the thread. That's the F in me talking.

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    Originally Posted by Grinity
    Since you are I not E, I would predict that your First strength (Thinking) is private and held 'close to the chest' and not something others notice first about you, and that what you are likely to let others see is you N function. So being a Female T probably hasn't been an issue for others, since they don't see it. Perhaps more of an issue internally?

    Does that seem 'about right?'

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    Grinity

    Yep, that's a pretty good description of me.

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    Originally Posted by JamieH
    Grinity, great job of describing how the various functions interact with each other. I was almost 100% NF, 51% I and 60% P.

    When you mention how Ts differ from Fs,
    I think you are ontopic here Jamie, glad that you enjoy typetalk.

    Before I try painting a picture, I want to check if the "I" is right. Since you are a P (60% is plenty) then I would predict your Main strength to by your "N" - so it fits that you are a "I" if the 2nd strenght of "F" is what is shown to the world, and the "N" is held inside. Which strength to you feel is your earliest/best? The N or the F?

    2nd way to test I vs. E, is 'if you were feeling low, and needed more energy, would you be alone or seek out beloved people to recharge?

    Lets figure out the I vs. E question first -
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    Oooh Grinity, loving reading your analysis! Would love to hear your interpretation of mine. I am an ISTP, the analysis of which always surprises me with its accuracy, despite knowing it! I'm very I, T and P and 60% S. Any thoughts - if you have a chance smile Thx


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    Not to rain on the fun, but in the psychological assessment course I took a few years ago the professor said that Myers-Briggs is not a legit personality test for a few reasons:

    * Even the true M-B test has multiple forms (which is fine). However, you are supposed to check for parallel form reliability when you develop multiple forms and this was not done for M-B. I have taken a couple of different M-B tests over the years and come out either as a raging extrovert or a borderline introvert depending on which form was used, for instance.
    * For the constructs it is measuring, save for introversion and extraversion, it isn't considered to do so in a valid manner. For instance, other valid measures of these same constructs don't correlate with the M-B (poor construct validity).

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