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    First time poster! Hi!

    DD8 in 3rd grade took Olsat in Kindergarten and scored very well:

    Total: 150
    Verbal: 145
    NVerbal: 145

    This qualified her for our district's g/t program and they also administered the SAGES-2 with her in Kinder as well.

    In first grade she took the Olsat again, this time in a larger group setting and unbeknownst to us, she was sick with a fever at the time and her scores were:

    Total: 121
    Verbal: 119
    NVerbal: 116

    Now the rational side of me knows that everything from setting, proctor and illness could have effected her scores . . . but the mom in me is concerned. Obviously the drop is so significant that she wouldn't have qualified for the g/t program in our district with those scores. Could I get y'alls thoughts and opinions.

    I'm glad there's a board online of people who care about g/t parents and their child! Thanks.


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    Oh, without sounding vain I believe that our DD is gifted and no "test score" will convince me otherwise. So I didn't take your response as anything other than kind and supportive. DD has always exhibited most of the typical g/t checklist of cognitive, emotional, reasoning and language skills.

    Her current teacher lacks the education and enthusiam to deal with gifted students. (Which a whole OTHER post entirely.) Thankfully, I have 10 years teaching 3rd grade public school and 7 of that was as the 3rd grade g/t teacher. I know!!! I should know better and sometimes you need fresh voices and eyes to encourage you. My background enables me to enrich her education when she's with me.

    Thank you, Dottie!

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    Remember also that the OLSAT is a group ability test not an IQ test. I don't have it handy right now, but there was a report out a bit back to the effect of what Dottie was saying, that the scores on those types of tests vary a lot in elementary school children who take them more than one. I think that is was called something like "Gifted today, but not tomorrow."

    eta: here's a link to that study: http://faculty.education.uiowa.edu/dlohman/pdf/Gifted_Today.pdf

    Hoagie's also has a link to an older study which indicated that that particular test didn't correlate well with IQ for gifted kids although it did for average kids.

    Both the CogAT and the OLSAT publishers state that these tests were designed to measure "developed abilities" not innate ability or intelligence. Despite the amount of stock put in them by schools as an indicator of who is and isn't gifted, I think that distinction is more significant than it is often considered to be. The scores can be significantly impacted by academic placement and what the child has been taught.

    For instance, the kids who are high achievers in our local schools get GT pull-out classes for the early years of elementary in which they work on critical thinking skills and puzzles. When those same kids are tested on these group tests along with everyone else who wasn't ided as possibly gifted early on, they have "developed" a lot of the skills tested on these tests and usually score a lot better.

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