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    Ok - so I'll admit that I think Karen Pryor is amazing.

    Here's a recent blog post from her site:
    http://www.clickertraining.com/node/3104

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    A piano teacher at a lunch gathering told me, �The key thing, for me, is breaking things down into small units, and then starting with a point of success.� She�s grasped a crucial concept�start with something the student can already do right, and proceed in manageable steps. Boy, that�s very different from my piano lessons as a child! I can�t help but notice that the language is straight out of TAGteach�. When I asked her, she had never heard of TAG. But she has the concept.


    TAG is 'acustical traing' in this context.

    What I think is so crutial here is that after a task is broken down into managable tasks, one has to observe the child's performance to see if the tasks have or have not been mastered. Starting with the 'points of success' could be interpreted to mean 'stuff that isn't too hard' but I believe that it also has to include 'but is hard enough for the child to feel successful.'

    What I think it really lacking in adult humans is two things -
    1) stepping back from what we are trying to teach and being able to break it into steps
    2) being a close enough observer to know what the child already knows and what skills are already mastered.

    This is true for academics and for teaching social skills at home, yes?

    I think that the great appeal of Montessori is that it does break learning jobs into small tasks. The problem is that the model just isn't complete enough to deal with kids who take different routes to learning the same thing and look 'all over the place' by the Montessori perspective. Maybe no model will ever be complex enough for the human mind?

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    1) stepping back from what we are trying to teach and being able to break it into steps
    2) being a close enough observer to know what the child already knows and what skills are already mastered.
    I work for Sylvan Learning Center & as far as I am concerned, using this type of approach is one of the the main reasons our program works. I have seen success in countless students lives (academics- & confidence-wise) over the past 20 years.

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    Thanks ginger!
    Do you find that the 'chunk size' needs to be different for remedial vs. enrichment students? Or does it depend more on the student.

    I was thinking that my son, in early elementary age, was amazing at large academic chunks but when it comes to social learning, he need much smaller chunks than is typically given.


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    Hi Grinity--

    It's hard to say if it's the size of the chunks or the rate at which the material is learned. Students are not moved along, though, until they are ready. The object is to start each student at a level which they are comfortable & build upon those skills. I have noticed, though, that enrichment students often make those big leaps that are typical of whole-part learners. *

    Interestingly, there are remedial students who make the same type of gains & become enrichment students. Often, they thrive in the small group, one-on-one environment. Many of them have "missed" some skills in school that kept them from making connections in order to put everything together. Once they are able to do that, their confidence & skills are restored.

    Regarding social learning, my son is similar. Even though I know better, I probably have expected him to learn in bigger chunks than he is capable of. He is doing much better this year as he is in a gifted class. I knew he needed a professional who understood him. wink

    *I can't give lots of details on the program for proprietary reasons.


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    Originally Posted by ginger234
    Interestingly, there are remedial students who make the same type of gains & become enrichment students. Often, they thrive in the small group, one-on-one environment. Many of them have "missed" some skills in school that kept them from making connections in order to put everything together. Once they are able to do that, their confidence & skills are restored.

    I'm so glad to hear this - it must be so satisfing to be a part of!
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