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    ...as an indicator of giftedness (or not)

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    I'm wondering why you are posting this. This is my simple understanding. IQ is to test for abilities which can indicate gifted. Sometimes children can have "something" that gets in the way of showing abilities.

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    Are you asking whether each of us believes that high IQ is a sign of giftedness? If so, I'd say yes. Actually, I'd go so far as to say that I don't believe that one is gifted without a high IQ.

    I do believe that it is quite possible to be gifted and not test well for many reasons and for your IQ score to therefore not show who you really are. However, if an individual's true IQ lies somewhere well below the top few percentiles (it's not just an underestimation), I would say that that individual is not intellectually gifted. She/he could still be a gifted athlete or artist, though.

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    Child scores aged 17+ on WISC IV Raw Intelligence - average on CAT

    that's all

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    Originally Posted by Raddy
    Child scores aged 17+ on WISC IV Raw Intelligence - average on CAT

    that's all
    The WISC-IV is an IQ test and if the child came out in the top 2% or so on it, I would absolutely say that the child is gifted unless there was a problem with test administration, significant test prepping, or it looked like a weird outlier score (i.e. -- all other data says that the child isn't gifted and this is the only piece that has ever indicated s/he is gifted).

    The CAT (again, do we mean CogAT or an achievement test) is not an IQ test. Whether it is the CogAT or the CAT, neither one tests IQ. The CogAT tests "developed abilities" and gifted children may not score similarly on that test vs. an IQ test. See this article for more info.

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    You remember my results questions surely :-). 17+ age equivalent on raw intelligence

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    I agree. My twice exceptional son has that "something that gets in the way of showing his abilities" on the performance section of an IQ test--a disability that affects visual motor integration and a slight visual processing difference, but even on a bad day when he is getting a migraine and has not had enough sleep, his mild disabilities do not seem to affect the verbal abilities. Even when he is in pain, he is still very articulate just like his geology professor aunt, his highly paid executive uncle, my uncle who was a commercial artist and my mother who I thought was the smartest person in my family until she became disabled. Two of my dad's brothers were engineers, but one didn't seem as articulate unless forced to talk. My husband is also very articulate but he doesn't think he is because he came from a family of all smart people and was in military intelligence with a group of people who later became doctors, lawyers, etc. I go with him to the MI reunions and I don't talk because I feel like I sound stupid, but my son fits in. I would love for people to describe me as personable and articulate like my son and my husband but I just don't have that innate ability. My son's verbal giftedness showed up in spite of being homeschooled by me and and in spite of having to learn more on his own than anything else because he learned so differently from me.

    Some of my family members are really smart and some are not--like me, so I grew up noticing the difference. I don't know my IQ but I found a chart listing average IQ for different occupations and I had jobs in accounting, executive assistant, and stenographer so I think my IQ was probably only in the 120's. I usually made straight A's in school and I think with that IQ it is easy to do.

    My son really is smarter than I am. He learned to read at 2 without being taught even with a disability that should have made it harder for him to learn to read. I am very aware of the difference in intelligence between my son and me, but I think if I had been tested I would have scored higher on "performance" because I had excellent fine motor skills and no disability to impede my speed on taking tests. I always thought my ability to write quickly on timed tests, especially government, civil service type tests allowed me to answer more questions and therefore score higher on tests than the average person, but I don't believe I made higher scores on these tests because I was smarter. I got a lot of interviews because of my high test scores, but I always felt I was lacking in the verbal intelligence and interpersonal intelligence that were more important for the jobs I was looking for.

    I liked this chart that gives a range of IQ scores for different professions: http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/08/income_iq_and_profession.php


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    Originally Posted by eema
    As a non-expert, I would probably say that a high IQ does indicate giftedness, but a lower IQ (i.e. below the gifted range) does not exclude giftedness.

    I also question what is meant by "IQ". Is IQ based on FSIQ, GAI or one index score? I could argue that each of these indicates "IQ".

    And what about the fact that some people do better on some IQ tests than other? This means (to me) that IQ tests are open to interpretation. Perhaps there is a better IQ test around the corner.

    So, I would keep an open mind when looking at IQ scores.

    Totally agree. smile

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    One thing is that you can 'prepare' for IQ tests.

    So the kid who is 'prepared' for the IQ test gets 130, 140, 150 and is gifted. The unprepared 'gifted' kid who gets 120 is a tad above normal.
    they use these tests to make decisions about our kids education provision - some will be accelerated/challenged - the others will wallow mid-stream.

    An old tutor used to say to us
    "One thing IQ tests tell us about a person with certainty is that they're real good at doin' IQ tests"

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    Originally Posted by Raddy
    One thing is that you can 'prepare' for IQ tests.

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