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Would you have concerns if......... #79354 06/29/10 09:35 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 30 N nowwhat? OP Junior Member
OP nowwhat? Junior Member N Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 30	the psychologist who tested your child has never heard of Dabrowski's overexcitablities theory? I was when I brought it up today.....all you have to do is read a book about "gifted". I was a bit dismayed.

Re: Would you have concerns if......... nowwhat? #79359 06/29/10 11:40 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 147 Mom2MrQ Member
Mom2MrQ Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 147	Originally Posted by nowwhat? the psychologist who tested your child has never heard of Dabrowski's overexcitablities theory? Had he heard of Dabrowski at all? Theory of positive disintegration? If no to both, then I might want to check on that degree of his! LOL I recall covering these topics, including a brief mention of the overexcitabilties, in a general psych class. Maybe he once knew and has just forgotten.

Re: Would you have concerns if......... nowwhat? #79361 06/30/10 01:43 AM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,898 Scotland C ColinsMum Member
ColinsMum Member C Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,898 Scotland	I would if the psychologist specialised in giftedness, because as you say, it's a common concept in the literature aimed at parents. If not, I wouldn't personally. My quick test is to go to Google Scholar and try searches like dabrowski positive disintegration etc. I didn't see any very highly cited papers in the list, or a very large number of papers at all, which suggests that the topic may not be mainstream. Maybe Mom2MrQ was just lucky to hear about it in a general psych class? It would be interesting to know when other people who've studied psychology first heard of it - I haven't. Email: my username, followed by 2, at google's mail

Re: Would you have concerns if......... ColinsMum #79362 06/30/10 02:03 AM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,457 Iucounu Member
Iucounu Member Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,457	It seems to be a theory that may not have much current empirical support, though it has some obvious truth to it. I've filed it in the noggin next to "Multiple Intelligences". In any event I don't think it would have much bearing on the testing. I also took general psych classes, and don't remember covering it. But I have a terrible memory for some things, and it's been a while. Striving to increase my rate of flow, and fight forum gloopiness.

Re: Would you have concerns if......... ColinsMum #79370 06/30/10 04:29 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,207 Connecticut Grinity Member
Grinity Member Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,207 Connecticut	Originally Posted by ColinsMum I would if the psychologist specialised in giftedness, because as you say, it's a common concept in the literature aimed at parents. If not, I wouldn't personally. Dabrowski wasn't mentioned in my college level psyh classes - I never hear of him until I stumbled into the gifted world. My hunch is that he's just starting to be translated into English, and that over the next 20 years 'Theory of Positive Disintegration' may become more popular. Or may not, since brain based explanations are so popular right now. If you had asked the psychologist - how does my son's testing relate to the work of Freud - I'll bet you'd get funny looks as well. But if the Psychologist presents themselves as 'familiar with Giftedness' that's another story entirely. It says a lot about their frame of reference - that it's very different that the one we have here. BTW - I just got this notice about a Dabrowski Conference: Quote Dear OGTOC List Members, Many of you have had interest in Overexcitabilities and why you and your children are too too too much:) Very sensitive. Here is a conference which I feel will be of interest for many on the OGTOC list. This information is from the organizers - Cheryl and Michele Kind regards, Sally_L founder OGTOC ****************************** Registration materials are now available for the The Ninth International Congress of the Institute for Positive Disintegration in Human Development to be held in St. Charles, IL this July 22-24. They can be found at the conference website and regular registration is due by June 11. http://dabrowski9.weebly.com/index.html The website also has a tentative schedule, rates for the conference hotel (Pheasant Run Resort), and contact information for a travel agent who can help make arrangements for you. In the future, we will be posting the conference program so you will be able to see the diverse and exciting offerings available at the conference. We have also set up a Facebook Event for the conference called, International Dabrowski Conference 2010, to facilitate communication among attendees. It is also a place where you can find others to share travel or rooms. It is a closed event, so you must request an invitation to gain access. Please forward this information to others who may be interested. If you have any questions about the conference, please do not hesitate to contact me or Michele Kane, your conference co-chairs at cma@udel.edu or michelekane1@aol.com. We look forward to seeing you in July! Cheryl and Michele Visit Gifted - OGTOC at: http://giftedonlineconferences.ning.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network Love and More Love, Grinity Coaching available, at SchoolSuccessSolutions.com

Re: Would you have concerns if......... Grinity #79387 06/30/10 07:07 AM
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CAMom Member C Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 748	Our psych, who is an ed.psych had never heard of Dabrowski. In fact, she'd never heard of DYS. I don't fault her for it- she still really understood my son and has tested him three times. She is a school district employee who specializes in identifying gifted children... meaning she doesn't do the IEP testing for kids on the other end of the spectrum.

Re: Would you have concerns if......... CAMom #79390 06/30/10 07:36 AM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 741 A AlexsMom Member
AlexsMom Member A Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 741	I've got an undergrad degree in psych, and had never heard of him. (I was in the research track, and find the positive disintegration stuff too foo-foo for me.)

Re: Would you have concerns if......... AlexsMom #79393 06/30/10 07:47 AM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 156 N. California G gratefulmom Member
gratefulmom Member G Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 156 N. California	I have to say, I haven't actually met a single educator or psychologist yet who's heard of DYS. For as big as it seems to be in the online gifted community, the vast majority of the educational community doesn't seem to know anything about it. Likewise, until I came here, I had no idea about the online gifted classes available to our children. It really is so important for us to find each other and educate ourselves (like we're doing here!). It's sad to think of how many other parents are floundering without these resources. HS Mom to DYS6 and DS2

Re: Would you have concerns if......... gratefulmom #79404 06/30/10 09:25 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,207 Connecticut Grinity Member
Grinity Member Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,207 Connecticut	Originally Posted by gratefulmom I have to say, I haven't actually met a single educator or psychologist yet who's heard of DYS. Me too -Except for the psychologists that I learned about through DYS or lecturing on the 'gifted circut.' More people have heard of CTY, talent searchs, 'taking the SATs in 7th grade.' Smiles, Grinity Coaching available, at SchoolSuccessSolutions.com

Re: Would you have concerns if......... Grinity #79436 06/30/10 03:31 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 42 B BooBoo Junior Member
BooBoo Junior Member B Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 42	Sorry, I am not answering the question. I just have the same issue. Today I had the first psychologist appointment for my DS and I brought up OEs too. The psych didn't answer me she knew the theory or not but she seemed not considering gifted would contribute a child's behavior problems. DS8 has some traits are similar to ADHD/Aspergers. Those behaviors did cause some troubles when he was young but now they are pretty mild. It's not because the problems are disappeared, he just can manage his behavior much better. The psychologist did have many experience with 2e kids due to in our area there are so many gifted children. When she talked to me, my understanding is she believed the behavior problems are caused by some kind of brain function disorder/disability but not OEs. She hasn't talked to DS yet but I am a little bit worry DS being misdiagnostic.

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