Gifted Issues Discussion homepage Forums Identification, Testing & Assessment What IQ is considered Highly Gifted??

Yes, very true. Thank you. But still the measuring of anything past IQ 145 is... what is the word?

It is odd. Significant, yet seemingly insignificant.

Although I do realize just looking at individual children, personality and preferences really do come into play.

Dottie: Ha! If I knew what I was trying to say ...

Here's another spin on the early-college issue. (Can't resist beating a dead horse . . . )

I think we should question the idea that there is such a thing as "college level work." Are we talkin' physics at MIT and analytic philosophy at Reed College? Or are we talkin' Math 1A and English 1A at Southeastern Nowhere State U?

There is a state college in North Dakota where you can earn a degree in (I am not making this up) how to run a John Deere dealership. (I know this because I was at the meeting where the State Board of Education approved it. They were very proud of themselves for "forging partnerships between business and education.") We need to de-mythologize college.

That is true. But then, isn't it also true that the average person, if he or she goes to college, will go to SeNSU or its community college brethren? So...when we're talking about "college level" work, doesn't it make sense that it means the work an average college student would be doing at an average college (just as "first grade work" means typical first grade work at a typical school, rather than the work HG kids do at gifted schools). And the average student won't be ready for that sort of work until he or she is approximately eighteen, if ever. However easy and trivial the work may seem to us, that does not make it meaningless when a ten year old can accomplish what the average sixteen year old cannot.

yeah, at 8 DS had some subtest scores with GE's of 12.2, 13 and 15.5 on the WJ-III. Now DH and I joke about "15th grade" lol

Aah... all those IQ tests, achievement tests... What does it all mean??? :p

42. heh

Yes--it says more about the group they used to create the norms than about our kids. My son got one of those there scores in math at age 9--he had just completed 6th grade material.

Yeah, my dd11 had some 18+ scores at 7 on the WJ-III (in the verbal/reading areas). There is no way that she'd have been testing that high in math even if the norms weren't developed with gifted kids in mind.

I'd agree that 145 is at least HG on current tests. DYS doesn't really require a 145, just a 145 in VCI or PRI or GAI. A kid could be quite far from a FSIQ of 145 and still meet one of those requirements. DYS also requires AT of 145, but again with the same flexibility so that many different scores work and something like "broad math" might be 145 even withtout any subtest being over 145.

Sorry, so I couldnt find the quote marks as I dont write on this site very often... But I wanted to agree with the above point.

I think what is HG+ is really confusing, we can not nicely line up tests and say the same child will get 99.9% on WISC as on SB 5. The tests are different in their emphasis of "g" and SB 5 and GAI dont line up either. And there are questions over the validity of extended testing, especially using SB 5.

I personally FWIW think FSIQ 145 is really somewhere around Exceptionally to Profoundly Gifted. Beyond that, I think one needs to look at the numbers of ceilings scored, the raw data numbers plus look at achievement test scores as well as the child, to try and better understand that child's capabilities.

I agree their can be stealth EG/ PG kids due to personality (and 2es), but I am dont think their tends to be many stealth PG + kids, as they tend to give themselves away when they open their mouths and voice their ideas / opinions, or by the things they are interested in!

I also feel that it is not worth getting hung up on Davidson's definition of PG. At the end of the day, they are just one organization. More, I think, accept that most gifted kids, could benefit from enrichment, acceleration and advancement opportunities.

There are a huge number of stealth PG kids in minority communities. When they do open their mouths, their age peers beat them up or their parents squash their dreams. Or they are trapped in crappy schools without parents who don't even know they can advocate for them. Can you imagine being a mom who speaks only Spanish thinking Maria needs to be grade skipped?

I have no ideas why you would assume that we are not from a minority community?? My dd could not be tested until she was almost 6 as she / we hardly spoke English.

What you are talking about is community out reach programs and educating about giftedness programs, not about how giftedness show its self in native languages.