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    My son was tested to get into our schools gifted program last spring at the end of second grade. They reported that he got a 163 on his IQ score but since the test was administered by the gifted teacher not the school psychologist I can't use that result to get him into any programs. Does anyone know if they are required to "really" test him if I request it?

    P.S. He didn't get into the program and had a horrible year in third grade frown

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    Do you know what test the teacher used?

    And why did he not get accepted into the program with such a high score?

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    I'm not sure what test they used. IQ is only part of the weighted score. 20% IQ, 20% Teacher form, 20% Parent form, 20% previous years grades, 20% acheivment testing. From everyone tested (new kids in third grade and others up to 5th that are on the wail list)they take the highest scoring to fill the open postions. This year there were only a few openings and other kids must have scored higher. They only have a limited number in the program and the "Quota" is shared from 3-5th grade. The IQ part of the score ended at 140 so he automatically got the full 20 points...the same as another kid who may have had an IQ of 140!!!

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    Is there any information on the district's web site? It sounds like the "multiple measures" are working against him. frown

    http://www.nj.gov/education/aps/cccs/faq_gandt.htm

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    2. How should students be identified?

    The regulations require that students be compared to their chronological peers in the local school district. New Jersey does not have state-level criteria such as mandated tests or assessments, grade point averages, or IQ scores. Local school districts must use multiple measures to identify students.

    3. What does the state mean by �multiple measures?�

    District boards of education must make provisions for an ongoing K-12 identification process for gifted and talented students that includes multiple measures, including but not limited to, achievement test scores; grades; student performance or products; intelligence testing; parent, student, and/or teacher recommendation; and other appropriate measures. Local school districts should ensure that the identification methodology is developmentally appropriate, nondiscriminatory, and related to the programs and services offered (e.g., using math achievement to identify students for a math program).


    20. If I am unhappy with the services currently available to my child, what should I do?

    It is important to have a clear understanding of district procedures and policies before expressing your concerns. Look at the student handbook or on your district�s Web site for information on the gifted program. Next, you should talk with your child�s teachers, the building principal, and the district�s gifted coordinator before discussing your concerns with the district administration. If your concerns are still not resolved, you should put your concerns in writing to the district administration with a copy to the county superintendent.

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    During the Parent Program of HEROES Conference at Rutgers on January 23 we will have an educational attorney and NJ gifted education advocate talk about working with schools in NJ. If you want to check it out go to www.HEROESgifted.com

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    Hi. Can you please tell me if there is an e-mail address or a phone number that I can reach you at? I have some questions about membership. My son is in 4th grad and took the WISC IV. I received his PRI, VCI, WMI< PSI and FSIQ scores (he took the test in 2nd grad) but they told me they had no breakdown of the scores for me. I am trying for entrance into DYS but need these scores. His FSIQ is 141 and I wasn't sure if this qualified in NJ. Thank you so much and I am soooooooooo excited about this conference as they just took away they the G&T program and replaced it with something else which does not meet the needs of these children. Also, can you tell me how it is that the definitions of Gifted in NJ has changed so much from those in other states? It seems to me that it is more academically based rather than ability based. THANK YOU and I hope to see you at Rutgers.

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    We are not members of DYS! I still do not know what test they gave my son...and have not seen any scores. I only have a form in which they hand wrote a IQ of 163. At this point I'm not really trying to get into our schools one hour a week call out program. I know my son is bright and we work independently after school.

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    I'm sorry. I didn't know any other way to post to the last post who was talking about the conference with HEROES. There was no info on the website. I will try to figure how to start a new thread.

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    NJ has no requirement for testing.

    You may want to check out this link on the state's Dept of Ed web-site.
    http://www.state.nj.us/education/aps/cccs/g_and_t_req.htm

    NJ law related to Gifted & Talented may be found in NJAC 6A:8-3.1 (5). Read page 11 of this link:

    http://www.state.nj.us/education/code/current/title6a/chap8.pdf

    Districts are required to have a program to identify using mutiple measures and they are required to "consider" the NAGC's Program Standards. The state provides no guidelines on what measures districts could use. They also don't give much in the way of guidelines on what they mean by "consider." I was a member of a Board of Education that decided that they "considered" these standards and felt they didn't have to do anything beyond that.


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