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    Originally Posted by CFK
    If your 4-year-old is a good liar, it's a strong sign she's got brains.


    And if he's a crummy liar, like mine? wink


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    Originally Posted by kriston
    He is very imaginative and highly sensitive to the feelings of others. He comes home from school every day and gives me the rundown of all the social issues in class that day: who played with whom, who got angry, who was mean, etc. So I think what you're saying about perspective fits him.

    That is a description of DS10!!!!!! I always said when he was younger he was a pathological liar very creative with his perception of the events around him. ROFL!!!!!!!!! Thanks CFK for that study.

    He was really, really good at making things up. He'd spin all kinds of yarns and I'd be going along with it until some little something wouldn't click and I'd realize he was making it all up! One day he was telling me all these exciting things that had happened at pre-school and something struck me funny. I asked if all that really happened and he admitted it hadn't. I asked him why on earth did he tell me all that stuff and he said his day was so boring he just wanted to make it more interesting for me!!!!!!crazy

    Kriston, luckily he has (mostly) outgrown the tendency to fabricate things on the spot. smile


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    Thanks, E&C. Intellectually I know that it will all blow over. But it's nice to have the firsthand report. I can use the reassurance that I'm not raising a sociopath!

    (I'm not. No, really, I'm not...)


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    Alright, the calvary has arrived. I'm a hybrid, half spock, half RE(according to that goofy pyschological test site!). I think I can act as a translator of sorts.

    I think this article is really good concerning little kids fibbing:

    http://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=702

    I do believe it's TOTALLY normal to lie when you are four and holds TOTALLY different connotations for a child than for an adult or older child who is lying.
    Apples and Oranges. smile

    My kids totally fibbed at that age. Yes, correct them. Don't be overly concerned about it.

    I also don't think it's a big deal that he admitted to crying because he got caught. He's too young to understand the moral implications of what he's done. Actually, it's a golden teaching moment...... wink

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    Good article. Thanks, 'Neato!

    I've always been very understanding with DS4 about the "my shoes did it" sort of lie. I figure that's wishful thinking: "I wish I hadn't wet my pants, but I did, and now I have to figure out a way to explain it away because I don't want to have the truth be reality." I'm actually pretty sympathetic to that.

    This is the older kid variety, the "I want what I want and I'm willing to break rules with a grin (Yes, an "I'm so cute" grin. Argh! frown ) to get it." I'm way less understanding about that, I'm afraid!


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    Lots of crossposting! I agree with everything CFK posted, wholeheartedly.

    For sure, it's a four year old thing.

    He could also be testing. DD8 is a big time observer. DD6 is, and takes it a step further, testing.

    "I want what I want", for sure. But could it be more in a "so let's see what happens when...."

    So you corrected him, good job mom! Internally he might be all: "Well, that didn't go as planned, I'll check that off my list of what NOT to do". smile

    He learned not to do it or at least he learned there will be a consequence that he doesn't like if he does it again.

    The moral fortitude stuff comes in later, don't worry!

    Also, there's the asynchronistic development thing. He may have not developed his impulse control as well as older DS did at four.

    DD8 seems similar in personality to your DS7. Even though I've rarely caught her in a fib, she totally has! She's just not as obvious as DD6 and I also don't expect it from her. She actually probably got away with many more little fibs when she was little.

    I think she's pretty much grown out of it, but I fully expect both daughters will lie again at one point or another, especially from ages 13-18, IYKWIM.

    It doesen't mean they are rotten kids, just showing poor judgement from time to time.

    Remember those teenage years and into college? Even at that age some of "us" were probably fibbing to our parents from time to time. blush

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    I think the only lying I did in high school was of the "we said we went to a movie instead of admitting to going parking" variety. Even *I* couldn't resist when given a choice between raging teen hormones and the whole truth. wink

    But, seriously, beyond that, even back then I just didn't lie.

    You're right about the impulse control with DS7. He is the one who learned a rule even at, like, 8mos and then never broke it. It wasn't ever about impulse with him, it was about understanding. DS4 has always been much more impulsive. Good call there.

    But I'm really convinced that DS7 just doesn't lie. Even when he could totally get away with it, he tattles on himself. When someone questions his story, he looks hurt and annoyed and disgusted and says, "I DON'T lie!" as if it's the most offensive, repulsive idea anyone has ever come up with. Seriously, the kid is not an actor. He just REALLY means it! He does NOT lie.

    It sure made life easy. Time to adjust... frown


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    Originally Posted by Kriston
    I know that some of this behavior is normal for the age. But I never went through it with DS7, who really just never, ever lied. Not ever. I have always known that DS7's behavior is not the norm, but it IS what I am used to. This is all new to me, and as I am as pathologically honest as DS7 is, I find it more disturbing than I probably should.

    Can I join your club? I have one of these too, actually two of these. DS6 hardly ever lies, DS4 lies all the time and he is very good at it. To the point that we no longer know when to believe him. He lies about important things, he lies about things which don't matter at all, he can fake being sick. Poor kid the other day we didn't believe him he was sick till he threw up. He is so getting "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" and other Aesop's fables for Christmas.

    It better pass really soon, I am ready to pull my hair out. CFK thanks for the post. That made me feel a little bit better.


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    I wonder if some of it is in reaction to having such a truthful sibling? You know, how families often have one who is mathy and one who is a poet? Maybe you get one who tells the truth and one who rebels against that truthfulness to be different from his sibling.

    Hmmm...

    And "The Boy Whoi Cried Wolf" is old hat around here. I wish you better luck with it than we've had, LMom. It hasn't helped us one bit! frown


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    Originally Posted by Kriston
    I wonder if some of it is in reaction to having such a truthful sibling? You know, how families often have one who is mathy and one who is a poet? Maybe you get one who tells the truth and one who rebels against that truthfulness to be different from his sibling.

    Interesting point. I see what you mean they say that siblings try to be different. Now I see where the problem is. It's not my bad parenting it's all my first born fault wink


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