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    Originally Posted by keet
    http://hunkinsexperiments.com/pages/multiplication.htm

    Check this link for a multiplication trick. I don't think it'll make your ds fast at fact recall, but it's pretty neat.


    Wow! DS7 will love this, and it's totally new to me! Thanks! smile


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    Sorry for the confusion. The 63 problems were not from EM. All the 1st graders are doing EM at the same pace and level with their regular teachers. They are also doing math classes grouped by ability with different teachers. The 63 problem homework was from the teacher for the ability group.

    It's very frustrating. I've been advocating for an appropriate challenge since August and when we finally get work that's closer to the right level for DD, it's presented in the drill and kill way that she (and I) hate. I'd considered just having DD do the most difficult 20 of the 63 to show she's capable. I didn't because it was easier to just have DD do it than start another round of advocating with a new teacher.

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    Whoa; what's not to love about that?

    Thanks, I needed that. Next time I plan to talk to the new teacher about how these kinds of assignments lead to "I hate math!"(without using the term drill and kill of course).

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    Originally Posted by Kriston
    For any number times 9, look at the non-9. Subtract 1 and you have the 10s place (so for 9x3 => use 3-1=2). Then use that 2 to figure that 2+?=9. That's 7, so 7 goes in the 1s place for an answer of 27.

    Simple and quick, and no fingers! wink

    This is cool! I will show DS8 when he's back from school. Hope he doesn't say "I already knew that!".

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    I gave ds a trick for 6's, maybe it's mentioned already in the thread; 6x7 is the same as 5x7 + 7, fives are so easy and then the adding is no biggy. (6 * x = 5*x +x )
    I was pleased to see he realized on his own he could apply this to the 9's using the 10's: 9x7 is the same as 10*7 -7...

    He definitely enjoys learning more of the tricks and patterns - rote memorization is like complete torture for the whole family!

    (oh, and since christmas is fast approaching... we like to sing '6 times 3, oh 6 times 3, you always equal 18...this is to the tune of O'Christmas Tree. blush )

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    Originally Posted by momx2
    Kriston - didn't think of the dice game but that is great! I could even use it at a restaurant with the kids or anywhere we have to wait. It could be modified for DD5 so she can be included.

    This is very tricky. I love the idea of doing as Kriston did and going broad for Math, but I will be very amazed and do a little happy dance if you can get your school teacher to 'get' this. I would suggest instead a huge parental investment in getting both kids over the 'Memorization' hurdle. It was a problem at our house,and for me as a kid as well, and in the end, what worked was that DH used the morning school drives to verbally 'drill and kill.'

    I think that the idea of skip counting at obscenely early ages is the only way around this one. I would do all the tricks noted with DS, and spend a lot of time skip counting with DD. Maybe set a goal for yourself that for a week, you work skip counting into every activity with DD:
    "Let's see how long it take to walk to the mail box, skip counting by 5's." (10s or 3s are also good)
    "Let's see how long it takes to put your shoes on, skip-counting by 2's"
    "Let's mix the cookie batter skip counting by 3's."

    Let DS overhear. Act suprised that skip counting is related to Multiplication if you think you can get away with it - LOL!

    Afterall, we are talking about a memorization skill here, not a math skill. It may help to explain to DS that this isn't about Math, it's about Memorization, another important skill, and occasionally show him cool Math stuff.

    I never got around to ordering this game - but it looked so cool!
    http://www.mythmaticalbattles.com/

    I will admit that I had forgotten my 6x6 up to th 8's. I relearned when DS was relearning, with a cool game called Sequence. DS just watched me play. Did it help him? I doubt it. Sadly, I've re-forgotten those tough ones, but I'm hoping the Russian Finger game will help, and am going to try again.

    I did explain to DS that some topics are such that you learn them, use them or forget them, but that when you go to relearn them, the 'grooves are already there' so it's faster and easier to relearn, and then you forget again, unless you use it, and then you learn again, even faster.

    ((shrug))

    Also - some people can do mental math on a little blackboard in their heads. Some can't. Some do better on paper, some verbal/hearing. Figure out which is easiest for DS as you spend time hothousing him. This is one of those areas where hothousing is the way to go. ((Doesn't mean you can give him a calculator and more interesting Math seperatly, just that the price of waiting on this one may be too high.))

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    I agree that you will probably have a hard time persuading the teacher to go a different route, but I really do think that's the gold standard here.

    Grin, it may be "only" memorization, but that is a skill like any other, and not all GT kids have an easier time memorizing random facts than other kids their age. Especially Visual-Spatial kids. At 6/7, memorization is not something they do easily! I'm amazed at how much easier it is for my son this year than it was last year, just 6 months later! Nothing else changed; he's just more ready for it.

    I guess I just hate to have math-y kids hate math to suit someone else's schedule. You know? It seems backwards!

    I realize I'm suggesting a lot though, and the teacher may well not go for it, but I do think it's worth a try. It sounds like she wants to help the child, and that's usually the best time to ask for something off the beaten path. If the teacher had been resisting, then I wouldn't have suggested it.

    P.S. I got the Mythmagical Battles game, but it's one of those that's best for review rather than learning, IMHO. DS7 was pretty frustrated with it.


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    I came across this today and thought it was neat. It's called a multiplication clock.

    http://robinsunne.com/robinsunnes_multiplication_clock

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    We ran across these laminated place mats a couple of years ago - started off with dinosaurs and the solar system, we now have:

    multiplication tables up to 12 x 12
    the periodic table
    Flags of all the nations
    The Night Sky and the constellations and
    Cursive handwriting.

    The boys fight over who gets the periodic table (!) but it has certainly sparked an interest in learning multiplication - down to having "contests" with friends who come over and do anything on our kitchen table.

    http://www.painlesslearning.com/

    they're actually quite fun! (and I think DS9 has the periodic table memorized)

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    Just a quick fun item I found at the bookstore: http://www.thinkfun.com/PRODUCT.ASP...amp;Category=5EDFOCUS&ProductId=1510

    It includes 12 sided die so we are going to try the fun route... I'll let you know how it goes... I'm going to try it over the holidays...

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    DD6 had fun playing Timez Attack with DH. She got real excited about shouting out the answers. Good way to practice multiplication drills.

    http://multiplication.com/interactive_games.htm

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