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Probably, the dork that sits behind him wiped a booger on his shirt and distracted him.

verbal=65 Q's
qnantitative=60 Q's
nonverbal=65 Q's

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Neato: The Cogat data that you posted may depend on grade level. My DS took the Cogat when he was in 1st grade at the age of six. On his report, they list the number of items in each of the three sections (Verbal, Quantitative, and Nonverbal) as equal to 40. (That was in Sept. 2006). Or maybe they have revised it since then?

I found the numbers on the Iowa Tests of Basic Skills (which he took at the same time) to be completely confusing. All we received were "Predicted Scores", "Obtained Scores", and "National percentile rank". On the Cogat subsection of the report, they included the raw scores.


The only thing that I can add (which may or may not make any sense or be worthwhile!) is that on the back of the Iowa report it mentions that "the developmental standard score (SS) used with the achievement batteries describes students' academic development. Average scores obtained during the spring test are 200 in grade 4, 250 in grade 8, and 275 in grade 11." So the scores on the IBST go up to at least 275 (? possibly? can anyone help me out here??), whereas the Cogat has a very, very low ceiling. It is quoted as 145 or 150, but DS hit the ceiling at 140 for the standard age scores, according to our gifted teacher. Out of 120 questions, he missed 6 (3 verbals, 2 Quals, and 1 non-verbal). This might also be grade dependent though?

I don't know if this helps or confuses the issue. Sorry!!

Thanks for the attempts to answer my question. I was really looking for a ball park answer and can now conclude that the # of questions for each section is closer to 50 than 10 or 100.

What I am further confused about is how different the parent reports can be from one school and year to the next. I think the schools must decide what and how much they want included. The report from last year for the ITBS included SS, stanine, percentiles, # of questions, # attempted and # correct but did not have any information for the CogAT.

This year, the info is quite sparse for both, but especially for the CogAT which only includes the percentile and stanine-no IQ equivalent looking score. It does have a very brief and generic paragraph to explain what percentile means.

Neither report has a back side or any further explanation.

Ebeth, thanks for the interesting info regarding the SS averages per grade. I see that his current composite SS increased by 21 points over last year. I�m at least glad to see an increase rather than decline.

I really don�t know much about the ITBS. The only evidence that I see that the SS could possibly be on a continuum is to compare DS�s math totals from last year and this year. Each were/are 99th percentile. The SS are 299 (6th) and 311 (7th).

Either way, I don�t put too much stock into grade level group testing. The above level achievement tests are far more meaningful with this population.

Our report for 150 simply states 99 as national percentile rank.

What do you mean by splitting hairs? We were never given percentiles; just the SAS scores, which by themselves, don't mean much to a parent. I haven't known how much faith to put in them anyway since my daughter panicked during the test when she didn't know an answer. (She told me that she took a test where she didn't know any of the answers and that it was her worst day of school EVER!)

So, if Pud scored a 16 on Matrix Reasoning, would he likely do well on the Naglieri? One of the school districts we are considering moving to uses the Naglieri for entrance to GT program.

How would I find out what percentile that might be in? Their cutoff is 96th percentile on Naglieri. I'm assuming that is based on national norms? What would I need to ask to find out? They won't actually give him the test unless we live in the school district but we don't want to move unless he'll do well enough on the test to get into the GT program.

It's not the best program, but it certainly has good points. Ninety minutes a day with the GT teacher for math and 90 minutes a day with the GT teacher for Language arts (reading, social studies). The rest of the day with regular classmates.