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This is a tangent but I'm curious about something. Are there any tests designed for separating out LOG? I know some people have developed brackets for mainstream tests but I am wondering if there is anything out there specifically for the gifted population.

It is disappointing to see you repeat this, when it has been well answered upthread:

I will join with another parent here, in asking why this does not bother you.

"Levels of Gifted" (LOG) is a means of describing and grouping distinctions between IQ scores at the upper tail of the normal distribution or bell curve.

The percentiles are determined by comparing the IQ scores relative to other test-takers.

aeh describes this well in a post upthread.

Agreed. Board rules encourage this.

Catching up here after I was referenced on page 7. Phew! Hot topic! I'm honored to have rocked the boat to this degree.

So, Davidson refers to serving the profoundly gifted community and has set the minimums at one subtest score of 145. So is 145+ PG? Google can lead you to believe that 141+ is PG (source)...or 152+ (source)...or 160+ (source)...or even 180+ (source). So which is it?

My intention in applying wasn't to contaminate DYS with a not-PG kid. My intention was to find additional resources in best serving my kid. And I have achieved that. And I am pleased. Nobody but those that received her DYS application have seen her full written report, her tested grade-level equivalents, her supporting work samples, her nominator letter. I'm happy that DYS focused on the "whole child" when considering her application. Will I walk around calling her PG based on her acceptance? Nope. Will I now have a wonderful additional resource in caring for her unique emotional and academic needs? Yup.

Given the broad range of PG definitions, and the even broader range of our kids' qualities/abilities, at the end of the day no two children--even with identical "scores"--are going to have identical needs. I think everyone here knows that regardless of what letter they assign in front of their kid's "G."

tl;dr Can't we all just get along?

Indigo, this is why it doesn't bother me.

Aah, that sense of injustice. The reason I keep coming back here is to appeal to your sense of justice to realize that people post what they need to post at a certain given time. Maybe they really need to clarify what level of G their kids are and think mentioning PG without test results will help communicate their worries faster. Maybe they see something in their kids and are in panic mode. I'm really not being hysterical, dusty. Just overly pedantic these last few days and quite unlike my usual quiet self.

Yes, I agree that it is definitely interesting how stories change. But I like to give people the benefit of the doubt all the same.

When you start an enrichment club, what do you expect parents to do? Any parent would want to give their kids the best opportunities! When I organize small group learning opportunities and I know that I am looking for a certain level of maturity and understanding, I usually source families directly. I don't advertise. I write directly to families with kids who will be a good fit. Might that work better for you? Just an idea?

It doesn't bother me specifically because I belong to a large gifted community (of all flavors, including some really super amazing 2e kids) in real life and have watched and learned over the years that my child does not really benefit in the end from only learning to mix with kids at the same or similar level of giftedness/ ability/ achievement. A couple of his closest friends were not identified but are very obviously HG-PG and their 2e-ness masks that a lot. Personally, as a parent, I have learned so much from all of the other parents. Usually, in my experience, when a parent is snobby and elitist and picky about who their kids are mixing with, there is something they are seeking to hide. The truth then comes out that their kids are not what they've claimed to be. But we don't discover that by policing everyone. We give them the benefit of the doubt and even if it comes out that the parents were lying, we don't come out with a set of rules saying you have to qualify what you say or that you cannot be a part of the community anymore. We still get along. People are always learning and it's nice to give them room to do that.

If you do not wish to have a post quoted, you may state so. I have now removed my link to your post. However you have replicated the link in your post. From this point onward it is up to you as to whether you wish to maintain your link to that post, or edit your post to remove that link, and possibly also ask others who've replicated it to remove it... this would include Quantum2003 and George C.

We've been using that as a working definition for purposes of this discussion thread, due to the mention of both "Profoundly Gifted" and "145+" on the DYS qualification pages, while also recognizing G/MG < HG < EG < PG, as summarized on Hoagies webpage which lists 4 LOG, each with progressively higher FSIQ scores.

A couple of responses to this:
1) Google only amasses and replicates content on the web, it makes no attempt to convince a reader or "lead you to believe" anything.
2) With the exception of the first source quoted, which reports the same score for Exceptionally and Profoundly gifted ... All scores which you list as being found through google are 145 or above, therefore, in shorthand form: 145+.
3) As mentioned upthread: The numbers will change when a different measurement instrument is utilized (for example, cm side of tape measure vs. inch side of tape measure), even when the same object is measured and found to be the same (equivalent) size.

I do not believe that anyone has expressed that DYS has been "contaminated". On the contrary, it has been stated multiple times: "Inclusion is great, so long as new populations do not supplant the profoundly gifted kiddos which Davidson set out to serve. "

A few thoughts on this:
1) This is great.
2) As expressed upthread... and this is only a guess..
Excellent!

Agreed.

Posters stories can change over time. Mine has. I only shared qualifying Achivement scores for DYS with one person here.

I have not bothered this poster with additional test scores. No need to. I started out with only a RIAS score back in the day.
Progressed over the years to other scores from various tests. Every single test has revealed the same issues common with ASD in the language area.
I have gone from thinking my child with ASD may have had hyperlexia, to not. Being only HG to PG.

I even had therapy for myself to be able to come to terms and admit he is PG.

I feel stupid at times. He is so smart. Everyone has a story. Some are true some are not.

Due to the limits of nesting quotes, I will take the liberty of paraphrasing:

1) George C: Why would anyone care if a parent calls their child/ren profoundly gifted (PG), when the child/ren is/are not tested and reported to be profoundly gifted?

2) Val, quoted upthread: 3) dusty to George C, and indigo to George C: Why would you not care?

4) George C, answering why unsubstantiated claims of PG do not bother him:
George C, Please note the poster which you quoted is not a person calling a child PG.