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    The concept of the human brain not working at the full capacity is a little outdated. The fMRI studies show that the brain uses everything it has. Evolutionary speaking, your body won't feed cells that it doesn't use and the immune system will reabsorb them. The brain is the second consumer of glucose in the body (after the heart), so having a brain and not using it is very wasteful and unacceptable in evolutionary biology.

    So the co-morbidity between different neurological disorders and high IQ doesn't stem from how we use the brain, but from the structural differences in the neural network.

    For example... In the last ten years, using tools like fMRI, it is been established that the higher IQ individuals follow a different curve when it comes to cortical thickening and thinning. It looks like the higher the IQ, the longer the brain spends first over-connecting, reaching the peak much later in the childhood - around 13-14, instead of 7-8. After that it thins out almost or even faster than in typical children.

    Now if it look at disorders such as autism, ADHD and schizophrenia, the research also points to a differentiated process of cortical thickening and thinning. In ASD individuals, the brain is often much larger than in normal children, showing signs of overconnectivity and lack of normal neural pruning - immune system function that targets neural connections that are unused, unneeded etc. As the brain prunes itself, the understanding becomes more streamlined, the speech becomes less garbled, the attention span gets longer etc... In the absence of it - sensory overload, speech delays and inability to understand and execute instructions well, typical in ASD. ADHD also shows a delay in cortical thinning when the children reach the peak, but at a later age, basically following a similar trajectory as the high IQ individuals. Some research into schizophrenia shows that the hallmark symptom - hallucinations - may come from unpruned connections, where the brain can self-generate stimuli that doesn't exist or use older memories as the new input.

    So the same presentation - overconnected brain - can either result in out-of-box thinking, creativity and ability to see what others can't or in difficulty understanding human language and sensory overstimulation. Or both.

    It looks like the bigger the brain capacity/connectivity, the easier it is for the brain to fall into a less typical developmental trajectory, with various symptoms and abnormalities - hence a high correlation between learning disabilities and high IQ.

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    Originally Posted by spaghetti
    You know this crowd. References please.
    I have some saved links about this--it's so interesting. The first one is about cortical thickness and IQ, the second is about ADHD, third ASD.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3985090/

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035770

    http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/137/6/1799

    When DS was in process of being evaluated for ASD, I kept finding anecdotal information about "big heads" being associated with ASD. That seemed ridiculous, but I guess it's actually true, frequently! DS head was so big he had a CT scan (age 6 months) to make sure he didn't have hydrocephalus. He is now starting to grow into his head.

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    A child at the age of 3 has more neural connections than an adult, even though the brain volume is smaller. As the child grows up, synaptic or neural pruning occurs and the child loses most of his childhood memories but begins to think more rationally or more clearly.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic_pruning

    A more intelligent brain spends more time over connecting...
    http://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-news/2006/cortex-matures-faster-in-youth-with-highest-iq.shtml

    An ASD individual may have more connections than typically developing children
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/830316
    http://newsroom.cumc.columbia.edu/blog/2014/08/21/children-autism-extra-synapses-brain/

    Schizophrenia is linked to abnormal pruning as well:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3104582/

    Eco21268 posted a good reference on ADHD (thanks!), but unfortunaltely the authors didn't look at the dynamics of the cortical thickness and it is the key for high IQ kids and ADHD.... Measuring it at only one point in time is misleading.

    Bipolar/mood disorder...
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11986993/



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    Thanks Chicagomom - real info much appreciated!

    And eco - - - your younger DS is starting to sound MUCH too familiar. Half-digested indeed.

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    Differentiation in synaptic pruning is just an example of things that correlate with mental disabilities just as well as they correlate with higher cognition...

    There are two more things that easily come to mind:

    1) Testosterone levels, specifically fetal testosterone. Apparently when it is high your child will have much better visual spatial abilities and general intelligence
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1041608009001083
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110311153549.htm

    and, just as likely, your child will have ASD traits and introversion.
    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.471.4530&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    2) Mitochondrial DNA variants. Mitochondria is a symbiotic organism that's been living with us for millions of years, but it isn't human - it has its own DNA. Its basic role is to provide energy to the cells, including the brain. It is been hypothesized that the brain neural efficiency is directly related to the mitochondrial health and its ability to metabolize glucose into ATP.

    Some are associated with higher IQ
    http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10032.aspx
    some are associated with schizophrenia and ASD:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25446950
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3285768/
    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0127280
    and with attention issues:
    http://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1082&context=psych_theses

    Since each cell has 1000-2000 of these, you have millions of cells, and each can have its own slightly-different DNA mutations, you really can get any combination you want, different cells working differently, atypical development etc. Unlike the nuclear human DNA, it isn't long - only 37 genes, so they are multi-tasking. One mutates and you have a myriad of issues. Luckily for us, they don't mutate at the same time in all of the cells....

    These two specifically are passed maternally - one through prenatal exposure and one through the egg.

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