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The piece did just make me all the more grateful for DS6's teachers this year, neither of whom has ever suggested that he is some egotistical, approval-obsessed faux-reading automaton.
Again, I can just imagine. "No, no, DS! I have not vetted that book to ensure that you are at 97% comprehension of every page." (yoink)
(children riot and burn the house down) Well, THAT would certainly call for a heartfelt apology. From, you, I mean-- if you're talking about my house, anyway. 
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" These first graders who had proudly shared with anyone who would listen that they were reading Harry Potter are at risk of becoming fourth graders who must be incentivized in order to read anything at all."
I don't know any kids like this. Does anyone else? A child who read HP or similar in first grade and then became a nonreader in 4th?
What really aggravated me (well, among other things) was her theory that kids who learn to read later become better readers than those who independently learn to read early. There is no evidence for this. Her private school background is probably completely deluding her here, in the sense that sure, there are indeed bright kids (what's the average IQ at her school--115, 120?) who read late and then catch up very well. But much of the time, the child who is struggling with reading in second grade is a child who is going to continue to struggle. Early problems with reading predict future problems for most of the population, and early success with reading, especially untaught, predicts future success. It's not a big mystery. This is established. As a literacy specialist or whatever, she really ought to know this. My son, in a way. Younger than what she is discussing, though. He entered preK already knowing how to read- self-taught, no flashcards, no phonics, just learned through osmosis. Then in kindergarten, his teacher* insisted he had to re-learn reading through The One True Way of Phonics, and it threw him for a loop. For a full year to 18 months, he read very, very little and had to be incentivized for that little he did read. Fast forward a couple of years, and he is again a child who reads 24/7, anything he can get his hands on. She might be admitting that the school screws up kids without actually realizing it.  *She was called a teacher, but to my son she was really the Killer of All Desire to Learn.
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Oh, MonetFan, that makes me so sad for your son. 
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*She was called a teacher, but to my son she was really the Killer of All Desire to Learn. Yes, unfortunately, I've known a few teachers like this. One in particular was...I can't say much because I believe in not saying anything if I don't have anything nice to say about someone. I'm glad to hear that your DS recovered from the experience. If gives me hope that some of the past students of the above-mentioned teacher have healed from their ordeal.
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Oh, MonetFan, that makes me so sad for your son. Thanks HK. Thankfully he is now fully recovered and old enough to understand that the wrong teacher can mean a really bad year if you let it but that there are a few ways around it. Especially if your mom is kind of a subversive! I think your daughter and a number of children of other posters have had it far worse, so I'm glad this and his constant boredom is the worst we've seen so far. Unlike some of your kids, other than perhaps his kindy teacher (who was very subtle about it and/or him too young to completely notice), he's not seen any outright hostility like some of your children.
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insisted he had to re-learn reading through The One True Way Honest to pete, how do they think people in literate cultures learned to read for thousands of years before they and their Extremely Neccessary Methods came along?
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Sometimes I feel amused by the fact that of the four of this in thie family, not a single one of us:
1) Was taught to read
2) By anyone
3) In any way that anyone really noticed
It's like we're the blind leading the blind over here. People teach you to read? In school? What is this system with the worksheets and whatnot, now?
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insisted he had to re-learn reading through The One True Way Honest to pete, how do they think people in literate cultures learned to read for thousands of years before they and their Extremely Neccessary Methods came along? They'd probably tell you that they didn't really know how to read, at least not in the way that Language Arts Experts (tm) understand it today. Oh, sure, people like Nathaniel Hawthorne and the Bronte sisters wrote some books, but they probably would have bombed out on our worksheets when they were kids. And besides, writing a novel is totally different from verbal comprehension skills, and just because you can write Jane Eyre doesn't mean you understand the critical thinking skills necessary to decode a text and choose the best answer to questions about relationships between concepts and actions in the passage (phew).
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SNORK!  Where is our "like" button around here?
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