Gifted Bulletin Board

Welcome to the Gifted Issues Discussion Forum.

We invite you to share your experiences and to post information about advocacy, research and other gifted education issues on this free public discussion forum.
CLICK HERE to Log In. Click here for the Board Rules.

Links


Learn about Davidson Academy Online - for profoundly gifted students living anywhere in the U.S. & Canada.

The Davidson Institute is a national nonprofit dedicated to supporting profoundly gifted students through the following programs:

  • Fellows Scholarship
  • Young Scholars
  • Davidson Academy
  • THINK Summer Institute

  • Subscribe to the Davidson Institute's eNews-Update Newsletter >

    Free Gifted Resources & Guides >

    Who's Online Now
    0 members (), 49 guests, and 156 robots.
    Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
    Newest Members
    producingc, Maxpup, NathanShaffer, zteoh, marryhile
    11,870 Registered Users
    December
    S M T W T F S
    1 2 3 4 5 6
    7 8 9 10 11 12 13
    14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    21 22 23 24 25 26 27
    28 29 30 31
    Previous Thread
    Next Thread
    Print Thread
    Page 1 of 2 1 2
    Joined: Nov 2013
    Posts: 249
    A
    apm221 Offline OP
    Member
    OP Offline
    Member
    A
    Joined: Nov 2013
    Posts: 249
    I apologize for posting a lot lately, but it is wonderful to have somewhere to ask these things where people understand. I see so many posts about kids who are accelerated without problems (except those from the school). I'd like to know if anyone else has had this challenge.

    My DD is 9 and in 4th grade after one grade skip. It is a combined 4th/5th grade class and she generally works on 5th grade group work and on more advanced individual work (it is a charter school that lets children work at their own pace). She is a DYS. Because she is working so far ahead, I don't see any way she can return to regular school after 8th grade, when the charter school stops (she will either have to be homeschooled or go to college early). She realizes that regular high school may not be an option and seems not to mind (I've told her she can go for social reasons if she wishes, but she seems uninterested so far).

    She just had a birthday and is miserable. She loves working ahead and being accelerated, but is unhappy about feeling like all of her friends are becoming teenagers and going through puberty. She has a few friends her age, but most are older (12, 13) and no longer interested in just doing childish things (like just playing outside and being silly). She feels like she is missing out on getting to be a child and having to grow up too fast; she didn't want to plan a birthday party.

    I think part of it is that she is very worried about all of the responsibilities and big decisions of growing up; instead of being excited, she feels the weight of it.

    Has anyone else dealt with this? I try to arrange for her to get to do things designed for kids her age as much as I can, but it doesn't seem to be enough. She also needs time with kids who "get" her, and that's really hard. We're also trying to help her with her worries about growing up; we have made progress, but not enough.

    I've never met a child who wasn't excited about growing up and all of the opportunities that come with it (like learning to drive). For example, one concern about acceleration that I've seen is that others will be able to drive while the accelerated child can't, which seems to be the opposite from our problem (in other words, the common concern seems to be that kids will want to grow up as quickly as their older classmates rather than wanting to enjoy their age). Has anyone encountered this sort of challenge?

    Last edited by apm221; 02/22/14 08:10 PM.
    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posts: 5,181
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posts: 5,181
    Has anyone else dealt with this?

    Yes. From what I've seen of my DD, this is THE big growing-up issue with HG+ children. An N of one, of course. The basic problem is that there is no place where they TRULY belong full time.

    It's the reason, I'm sure, why EC and Davidson exist. Most kids aren't fortunate enough to have access to that, however, which means that they have to learn to be very different people in different settings-- and often as not, nowhere that they can be their complete, true selves.


    More later, as I'm about to hit the road to meet a woman about chickens.



    Schrödinger's cat walks into a bar. And doesn't.
    Joined: Nov 2013
    Posts: 249
    A
    apm221 Offline OP
    Member
    OP Offline
    Member
    A
    Joined: Nov 2013
    Posts: 249
    At the very least, that makes me feel better!

    Joined: Apr 2013
    Posts: 5,293
    Likes: 14
    I
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    I
    Joined: Apr 2013
    Posts: 5,293
    Likes: 14
    Happy Birthday to your DD!
    : )

    Quote
    one concern about acceleration that I've seen is that others will be able to drive while the accelerated child can't. Has anyone encountered this sort of challenge?
    Depending upon your locality, and regional norms, many kiddos do not get a driver's license as soon as they would be legally able. Among those who may have a driver's license, kiddos may often carpool or share a ride... not all kiddos would be driving to each event. While some students may be utilizing a state driver's license as photo ID for cashing checks, etc, some accelerated students (and also homeschooled students who do not have school ID cards) may obtain state-issued photo ID cards which are not a driver's license.

    Quote
    Because she is working so far ahead, I don't see any way she can return to regular school after 8th grade, when the charter school stops (she will either have to be homeschooled or go to college early). She realizes that regular high school may not be an option and seems not to mind (I've told her she can go for social reasons if she wishes, but she seems uninterested so far).
    You may wish to start looking at high schools now, to see what is available in your area including dual enrollment, early college, etc. Establishing those contacts and receiving information about secondary school options may help ease concerns/uncertainties about growing up.

    Quote
    The basic problem is that there is no place where they TRULY belong full time.
    Agreed. There is an art to finding the positive in each situation (there are positives and negatives in everything).


    Joined: Sep 2011
    Posts: 3,363
    P
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    P
    Joined: Sep 2011
    Posts: 3,363
    Originally Posted by apm221
    Because she is working so far ahead, I don't see any way she can return to regular school after 8th grade, when the charter school stops (she will either have to be homeschooled or go to college early).

    Have you looked into the options available in your local high schools? Options vary tremendously depending on where you live, but fwiw, in our area I've found that there tends to be more option for choice and flexibility with courses, schedules etc as students move into high school than there is in elementary school within our local public school district. Some of the things I would specifically look for are gifted-specific classes, area of interest programs within a high school (engineering program, for example, if your child is into engineering or arts if your child is interested in arts), taking classes part time at a local college, part-time homeschooling, online classes, charter schools etc. I'd also talk to the teachers at your dd's current school about what they think the options for your dd will be when she graduates from her current school.

    Our EG ds will be entering high school next year, and my experience so far has been that I really didn't realize how many options were out there until I started seriously having to be faced with - he's going there next year and it's time to look. I did look earlier on and I believe that in our area, the options for flexibility in scheduling have grown quite a bit in just the past few years. Online classes in particular are growing. There is also a much broader span of classes available at the high school level than I had previously realized - while the class offerings may not be sky-rocketing him academically as quickly as he's capable of being advanced, they do offer him (in his area of interest) a good opportunity to expand his knowledge laterally.

    Quote
    She realizes that regular high school may not be an option and seems not to mind (I've told her she can go for social reasons if she wishes, but she seems uninterested so far).

    FWIW, my kids have changed so much in the years between age 9 and age 12-14. While your dd may feel this way in a few years, it's also possible she might feel completely differently by the time she's needing to make actual decisions about high school. Do all you can in terms of research so that you know what options are out there, but I'd also not over-think it at this point - part of the "planning" process is most likely going to be following your dd's lead in terms of where she wants to be.

    Quote
    She just had a birthday and is miserable. She loves working ahead and being accelerated, but is unhappy about feeling like all of her friends are becoming teenagers and going through puberty. She has a few friends her age, but most are older (12, 13) and no longer interested in just doing childish things (like just playing outside and being silly). She feels like she is missing out on getting to be a child and having to grow up too fast; she didn't want to plan a birthday party.

    I realize she's working ahead of grade level in school, but you've also mentioned that she's 9 years old and technically in 4th grade (with a grade skip). In our area, most 4th graders are 9 years old and 5th graders are 10 - so she must be in school with some children her age and just above her age (in her regular 4th/5th grade class). Does she have lunch/recess with her class? Does she participate in activities like music/pe etc with her class? Are the 12/13 year olds who are her friends kids she knows through her advanced studies at school or friends from somewhere else? If she's feeling like she's missing out on younger kid interests and play, can you find her activities or friends to hang out with outside of school? I am sorry - I'm just throwing out some random thoughts, so don't feel like you have to answer my questions smile I can tell you that what you've mentioned is a concern that my friends who've had children go through one of our local multi-age classroom schools have mentioned as a challenge with grades 4-6 - the differences in emotional maturity, physical changes with puberty coming at different times etc. My older dd is in 6th grade, is not grade-accelerated, and has gone through puberty - and she still very much enjoys playing with her Barbies and other dolls and is in no way emotionally starting to think about boys etc - yet there is a huge range of social and emotional developmental levels among her same-age friends in her same school class.

    Quote
    I think part of it is that she is very worried about all of the responsibilities and big decisions of growing up; instead of being excited, she feels the weight of it.

    What type of responsibilities and big decisions do you think she's worried about? I'd talk to her about her worries, but also talk to her about things she an look forward to.

    Quote
    Has anyone else dealt with this? I try to arrange for her to get to do things designed for kids her age as much as I can, but it doesn't seem to be enough. She also needs time with kids who "get" her, and that's really hard.

    It's not going to be easy to find intellectual peers, but I'd keep trying, as well as keep trying to experiment with groups/activities etc where she can find peers with similar interests or who enjoy doing the same fun things that your dd enjoys. A short round of counseling might also help her with some of her worries. I also wonder, just a bit, if rather than worrying about high school options, it might not be worth thinking through her current school choice - maybe there's a better fit for *now* out there. It's wonderful that you've found an option for school that includes appropriately challenging academics, but it sounds like possibly the social aspect of school isn't really working out. I know this probably sounds counter-intuitive and may not be what you'd be happy with, but our EG ds has been in a small private school for late elementary and middle school and even though it's not a "gifted" school, it's been a wonderful experience for him. The overall academics are geared to be one year ahead of local public schools, subject acceleration is available, and teachers challenge students to go above and beyond as much as they can. What's really mattered the most, for our ds, though - is the social atmosphere. There are other gifted students there, kids who's parents wanted more than what the public schools had to offer. There are also kids there who are not gifted - but the cool thing is the size of the school and the philosophy of the schools mission and staff come together in a way that ds' social and emotional development has been nurtured and really come together in a way I don't think it would have in a different setting. So while he may not have reached college level courses yet even though he's capable of taking them, I feel like his development socially and emotionally was worth any academic trade-off. He can always catch up with a higher level course later on, but I feel that finding him a setting where he felt like he fit in socially gave him room for his self-confidence to develop in a way that will support him through high school and beyond.


    Quote
    For example, one concern about acceleration that I've seen is that others will be able to drive while the accelerated child can't. Has anyone encountered this sort of challenge?

    I wouldn't worry about other kids getting drivers licenses first. This is going to happen anyway - not just due to differences in ages, but there are going to be some parents who don't let their kids start driving when they are legally old enough to learn, and there are going to be some kids who aren't ready. What usually happens is that your child will have chances to be driven places by other teens before they are old enough to have their own license. To be honest, I'm much more worried about letting my child ride in a car that another teen is driving than I am about having my kids get their licenses later than their friends smile But that's just paranoid me smile

    Good luck as you think through all of our options!

    polarbear

    Joined: Dec 2012
    Posts: 2,035
    P
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    P
    Joined: Dec 2012
    Posts: 2,035
    Yeah I think the drivers thing is overstated. Lots of kids have medical conditions and other reasons that stop the driving (and drinking on the plus side) here you aren't allowed to take passengers for two years so that helps with the worry if your children are law abiding.

    I think hitting pubery first is at least at hard as being last and probably harder so I don't see it as an issue in acceleration anyway.

    the friends thing is related to what causes acceleration not to the acceleration itself.

    Joined: Nov 2012
    Posts: 2,513
    Likes: 1
    A
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    A
    Joined: Nov 2012
    Posts: 2,513
    Likes: 1
    Originally Posted by puffin
    Yeah I think the drivers thing is overstated. Lots of kids have medical conditions and other reasons that stop the driving (and drinking on the plus side) here you aren't allowed to take passengers for two years so that helps with the worry if your children are law abiding.

    I think hitting pubery first is at least at hard as being last and probably harder so I don't see it as an issue in acceleration anyway.

    the friends thing is related to what causes acceleration not to the acceleration itself.

    I agree with puffin. Don't worry about the driving. I was in university without a licence then never bothered to learn to drive as a) I live downtown in a large city and b) I don't own a car to learn on. It hasn't been an issue. smile

    More broadly, you're getting better advice from others than I could offer, but you have my moral support!


    What is to give light must endure burning.
    Joined: Jun 2012
    Posts: 978
    C
    CCN Offline
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    C
    Joined: Jun 2012
    Posts: 978
    Oh yes, for sure, going back as far as KG, when my DD was the last kid still in a regular car seat and all the others switched to boosters. She's tiny, an end of year birthday (so started KG at 4) and started a 4/5 split at age eight.

    Now she's 11 and in a 5/6 split, so socially she finally gets to feel normal, but academically there are under-challenge over-repetition issues.

    She is just a tough kid to place.

    I have no advice (I wish I did), but know that your DD is not alone smile

    Last edited by CCN; 02/22/14 03:49 PM.
    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posts: 5,181
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posts: 5,181
    Okay. I have another very hard-to-place kiddo.

    My DD14 is a high school senior. She has just two friends who are not at least seniors in high school, and she is the youngest of them all (by a considerable margin, in fact).

    She is often stymied by their lack of emotional maturity on the one hand, but also by the social interactions that reflect growing pains on the part of those same peers (not age-mates, remember, but students 2-5y older than she is). So the hook-up-break-up, boy-crazy, drama-laced high school experience bemuses and befuddles her. She can seem a bit aloof.

    She has cherished the hope that college will be different. I don't exactly know what she means by that, but I know better than to let her think that all will be smoking jackets, library dates and deep philosophical discussion. {sigh} I've pointed out to her that the years from 17 to 23 ALSO come with enormous changes as people become adults-- and that the functional range of maturity is probably never wider than at 16-18yo. It's something that she trusts her dad and I about given the number of those students we've seen (as faculty). So no, she won't find that there is a tremendous difference once she leaves high school (and as noted, that has been frustrating to her), but that the college environment will be automatically enriched in the more mature sort, at least after the first term or two.

    She only has one friend who is driving, believe it or not (he's nearly 18 now). She knows a few other peers who have, but the friend who is driving was reluctant-- his parents insisted only because he has to commute to college classes and it was a royal pain for THEM to drive him back and forth. Most of her friends won't be ready (or aren't).

    Her circle socially is composed almost entirely of honor society type students (probably most are MG+)-- so I can't imagine what this would be like if she were evaluating what the full spectrum looks like.

    DD has just a handful of friends who are fully aware of her age and it really doesn't matter to them. Like-- REALLY doesn't matter. Those people are all probably HG-EG, that's my guess. They are SUPER-bright, and this is evident when you talk to them. But they and my DD seem "about the same" academically, when you round all the edges out, and then to take into consideration that she is 14 and they are both nearing 18... well, yeah-- that's PG.

    So yes, she has friends who can accept her the way that she is-- most of her friends are male. She has trouble making/keeping female friends in part because most of them are just interested in stuff she could care less about, and the guys aren't shallow and boy-crazed. (well, most of them arent')

    I also suspect that many of her female friends eventually (through observation) note that she has no problem befriending male peers... which might make her seem threatening... she's very pretty, and can talk to ANYONE about ANYTHING in a completely breezy/artless/glib manner. She's also seemingly "not complicated" like other girls-- which is also highly appealing to others. She seems to draw male and gender-atypical peers like moths to a flame-- being somewhat ambiguous/unusual herself, and being VERY nonjudgmental and matter-of-fact about this kind of thing with others.

    Of course, some of the boys don't really KNOW that she's a girl, so that works out nicely in the friendship department with them.

    Of course, there are others that do notice-- and this is kind of fascinating to watch, as a dynamic. It's as though you're watching someone who has just made the discovery that their puppy is actually a tiny fairy. There is a lot of blushing and blinking and gaping when the epiphany happens. DD isn't always too happy when a friend decides she'd be good girlfriend material, btw.

    Boys are less mature socially than girls as teens-- this is helpful for a geeky gifted girl who can be "one of the guys" and play Minecraft and WoW with them for hours on end, and make fart jokes, etc.

    This has been a healthy way for my (truly quite feminine!) DD to hang on to her actual age in a way that doesn't force her to compromise her identity or intelligence (much) along the way. If she were deeply interested in make-up, clothing, and boys, this might be far, far different. THEN, I suspect it would be a greater challenge. I was a girl like that. Well, sort of. I was VERY VERY sad when all of my friends graduated two years before me and left me languishing in high school. Just fyi.

    Every child is different, though-- I don't know that this is really advice so much as anecdote. We're still living it. DD occasionally bemoans the fact that she will bypass some rites of passage by virtue of age alone-- and that she probably won't be old enough to VOTE until she has a bachelor's degree. This incenses her because SHE actually cares and has passionate interest in politics and social justice. wink Her friends will (mostly) be eligible to vote in the upcoming presidential campaign. She also still finds physical romantic impulses directed at her to be kind of squicky. She is the perfect geek-boy's girl, but she is equal parts perfect and perfectly unattainable.


    It's a mixed up series of things.

    Most of what DD objects to about feeling "rushed" is that while she wants to do ALL of the things she is interested in, the further she goes academically, the greater the pressure to "choose The One Thing," and being globally gifted, she can't bear to. Certainly that's not an appropriate thing for a 14yo to be thinking about... but it has to be (on some level) when that 14yo is looking at colleges. KWIM?


    She has sometimes wanted the following things:

    a) that Nirvana where she could be PRECISELY who and what she is, all day, every day. Both 14 and interested in college-level discussions of politics and literature and physics and--and--and.

    b) to have about 20 years at college, so that she can TRULY explore what she wants to do with that extraordinary brain of hers. This way she won't have to narrow things down to just two or three majors, see...


    Sadly, neither thing will come to pass. Oh well.


    Schrödinger's cat walks into a bar. And doesn't.
    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posts: 5,181
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posts: 5,181
    Oh, and my DD14 has the ability to look-- and truly make others believe-- that she is anywhere from 12 to 20 years old.

    I've watched her undergo this subtle transformation more than once-- in which she goes from ~14 to ~17 in the blink of an eye without even a change of wardrobe. It's something about her body carriage, mannerisms, and way of relating to others.

    To extend the range even further, she uses her extensive wardrobe to support the role she is choosing.

    It's really a neat skill to watch-- she's playing different ages, and she's a consummate actress. smile


    Schrödinger's cat walks into a bar. And doesn't.
    Page 1 of 2 1 2

    Moderated by  M-Moderator 

    Link Copied to Clipboard
    Recent Posts
    Early Milestones - what do they mean?
    by aeh - 12/25/25 01:58 PM
    Gifted 9 year old girls struggles
    by aeh - 12/25/25 01:43 PM
    Davidson e-newsletter subscription
    by JanetDSpurrier - 12/05/25 01:48 AM
    Recommendation for a Psychologist in CT/NY
    by Cesara - 12/02/25 06:40 PM
    Adulthood?
    by virtuallukewar - 12/01/25 12:05 AM
    Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5