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http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-ap-classes-20131007,0,538955.story More schools opening Advanced Placement courses to all students Some students may not be adequately prepared for the rigorous classes and high achievers may be shut out. But supporters see equal access as an educational right. By Teresa Watanabe Los Angeles Times October 9, 2013 Alex Wong, a junior at Mark Keppel High School in Alhambra, is working hard for admission to an elite college. His resume boasts nearly straight A's in rigorous classes, a summer program experience at Stanford University, an Eagle Scout project, club soccer, school choir.
But his steady progress hit an unexpected roadblock this year. Aiming to open access to college-level Advanced Placement courses, the school switched to a computer-based lottery to distribute spaces. Alex initially got shut out of all three courses he requested.
The new system caused an uproar among families whose children failed to get into AP courses, which many consider critical to develop advanced skills, boost grade-point averages and allow students to earn college credit, saving tuition dollars. They plied administrators with complaints, circulated a petition and launched a Facebook group to swap classes.
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Downtown Magnets High School in Los Angeles has nearly doubled participation in AP classes over the last five years — publicizing their pros and cons through an annual, two-week informational campaign for students and parents. Those who enroll are not necessarily top students — but the school reports benefits for them nonetheless.
Miracle Vitangcol, a Downtown Magnets junior with average grades and test scores, is failing her AP U.S. history class; she said she is overwhelmed by the rapid pace and volume of material she needs to memorize. But she said she intends to stick it out because the class is teaching her to manage her time, take good notes and develop perseverance.
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At Jordan High School in Watts, Evan Dvorak confronted that question head-on last year when he allowed any student to take his AP physics class. But he found that those who had not acquired the necessary calculus skills could not handle the work; all 20 students failed the exam.
"As a teacher, you want to think you can reach every student and perform miracles to get them where they need to be," he said. "But it proved to be too much for everyone."
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At Keppel, some parents whose children were shut out of AP classes say they support the goal of open access — but not the random selection for limited spaces.
"It's a delicate balancing act," said Shelly Tan, whose son, Douglas, failed to get into an AP biology class after doing the summer work during a family vacation. "Yes, you want to give all kids opportunity — but not at the expense of kids who can do the honors work."
Until last year, Keppel used grades and test scores to determine placement — factors also used by Downtown Magnets for over-enrolled classes. But Keppel Principal Jacinth Cisneros, who arrived last year, said she believed that process violated Alhambra Unified's equal-access policy, adopted in 2007. As a result, she launched the computerized selection this year.
"I believe every child has the opportunity to redirect their path at any point during their high school career," she said.
Cisneros said the school has since added another AP English class but could not offer more because it did not have enough trained teachers.
That has left many Keppel students stranded. Alex Wong eventually got into AP environmental science, a course he considers critical to his plans to apply for early admission to Stanford as an environmental engineering major. But he remains shut out of AP English and AP calculus and will have to try again next year.
Some students say they plan to study the AP course work with a tutor and take the exam anyway. Keppel junior Andre Liu has enrolled in an eight-month AP English course to prepare him for the May exam. The cost: $4,000. Neither taking AP courses or attending a four-year college is suitable for everyone. The article mentions one kid at the end spending $4000 for an AP class outside of regular school. The smart kids with rich kids and open checkbooks may find ways to take AP courses their schools do not let them take, but the smart kids without such parents are out of luck.
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Personally, I think that open access is great, provided that 1. Literally anyone with the minimum qualifications can take the course (i.e., you hire more teachers if need be); 2. Standards are not watered down and anyone who fails to meet written expectations is removed from the class. Miracle Vitangcol, a Downtown Magnets junior with average grades and test scores, is failing her AP U.S. history class; she said she is overwhelmed by the rapid pace and volume of material she needs to memorize. But she said she intends to stick it out because the class is teaching her to manage her time, take good notes and develop perseverance. That said, I have a degree in history, and would love to know who dreamed up the idea that college-level history courses involve memorizing gobs of factoids. Even the local community colleges around here, which are swamped with students, base their courses around analysis of historical events through essay writing rather than easy-to-score multiple choice tests. This is presumably because the people teaching them have graduate degrees in history. IMO (and my I like to think my degree gives me a bit of credibility here) history courses based on memorization are a waste of time. AP US History certainly fits that description. "IM DESPERATE ILL GIVE YOU FREE FOOD," Let us hope this student wasn't trying to get into AP English.
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This is pure lunacy. Who would let a person that cannot swim attend a scuba class?
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On that note can I get a PHD without having to take any prerequisites?
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We don't have AP courses here that I know but in general it seems fair that anybody who wants to should be allowed to take a course specified as a prerequisite but only those who pass the requisite course with the required grade get into the AP course. In our system you go from high school to university. Anyone who qualifies for university can do first year in all (that i know of) but you have to do REALLY well in first year medicine, law, vet science etc to be selected to Continue. There are some reserved spaces in some of those for specified groups but there is still competition for those.
of course advanced courses are most beneficial to high achievers not PG but it is hard to see how they would benefit someone who wasn't at least high average.
The girl who couldn't keep up with history may have been memorising instead of processing because she was out of her depth.
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I agree AP courses should be offered to anyone who wants to take them PROVIDED the have met the prereqs. How is it that the students in that Physics class in which the whole lot of 20 failed the test GOT into the class to begin with? Even the teacher stated they did not have the basics for that class? It sounds like the administration is setting these children up for failure... Agreed. Cui bono? The high school may get high rankings for providing access to all. There is a saying, "What you reward, you get more of." There may need to be some refining of the system so that scaffolding is appropriately provided for those who may most benefit.
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This is so outrageous. If everyone wants to take an AP class, great, but make sure that the kids who are qualified with test scores and pre-reqs get in for sure. To me, this is an example of dumbing down the curriculum so that everyone feels special. Our school district's state test scores keep tanking (my kids both aced it)- all they could say is that they have no idea why that is happening but more kids are graduating from the high school. Duh! As though that is the only metric.
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The girl who couldn't keep up with history may have been memorising instead of processing because she was out of her depth. The course is based on memorization. Well, the one through CTY was, anyway. The AP US History test is also known for it. They're changing the test this year, so maybe it will be different.
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The girl who couldn't keep up with history may have been memorising instead of processing because she was out of her depth. The course is based on memorization. Well, the one through CTY was, anyway. The AP US History test is also known for it. They're changing the test this year, so maybe it will be different. I hope so.
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The HS I graduated from required kids had passed the pre-AP class prior to allowing them to register for the AP class, but a parent could request, in person, that they be permitted. This worked out for me, as I'd moved here from a state that didn't offer "pre-AP" classes, just honors. I was able, thanks to my step-mom, take all the AP classes I wanted (and got all A's, save for that blasted calculus class!)
I suppose it depends on the area, but where we lived there wasn't a lot of the crazy parenting that seems to go on in places like NYC. For most towns I would imagine allowing exceptions based on parent requests to work out fine.
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