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    Originally Posted by Xiangbaobao
    I know that a 4th grade kid got 275.

    So mine was close smile Let's hope when she is the 4th grade, she will get 275 smile

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    Originally Posted by CAMom
    Yes, a subtest. But never a RIT score. NWEA insists it is possible, but I've seen hundreds of reports at this point, including some from very advanced DYS kids. (I am writing a document for our school for teachers to better use RIT scores to inform their teaching.)

    If you look at something like this- https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.powayusd.com%2Fprojects%2Fedtechcentral%2Fmaps%2FPDFs%2FCorrelation%2F12-13CorrelationFinal%2FK-5CorrelationChart12-13final.pdf

    and this-

    You can see that even this district's GATE students aren't scoring that high in math
    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.powayusd.com%2Fprojects%2Fedtechcentral%2Fmaps%2FPDFs%2FCorrelation%2F12-13CorrelationFinal%2F6-9CorrelationChart12-13final.pdf

    Essentially, from all I've studied about NWEA, the RIT scale is continuous- meaning you can compare score to score to show an individual student's growth. But the tests, particularly when comparing the primary to the 6+, are simply too different (both in types of questions and format) to really know how a kid would actually do. NWEA says the question bank is the same but I've messed with it enough to know this isn't true.
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    Sorry I am mobile today and my google docs viewer isn't happy to cut and paste I guess. Find the www in both links and cut and paste from there.

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    Originally Posted by GAW
    allegedly NJ does not allow kids skip the grades.

    Not true at all. I teach HS in NJ and have a 14 year old in my honors sophomore class who was skipped in elementary. It really depends on the district. There's nothing specific in NJ's code that allows or disallows it. I'd push your principal if you think it's the right route for your child.

    Here's a link to NJ's FAQ, which specifically states that acceleration may be an appropriate accomodation:
    http://www.state.nj.us/education/genfo/faq/faq_gandt.htm

    Here's another link that may be helpful:
    http://www.accelerationinstitute.org/Resources/Policy/By_State/Show_Policy.aspx?StateID=35

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    If she took the 6+ test, then it's possible to get a 273.

    (I think maybe your posts were being held for moderation since you're a new poster- sorry for things sounding disjointed!)

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    Originally Posted by staceychev
    Originally Posted by GAW
    allegedly NJ does not allow kids skip the grades.

    Not true at all. I teach HS in NJ and have a 14 year old in my honors sophomore class who was skipped in elementary. It really depends on the district. There's nothing specific in NJ's code that allows or disallows it. I'd push your principal if you think it's the right route for your child.

    Here's a link to NJ's FAQ, which specifically states that acceleration may be an appropriate accomodation:
    http://www.state.nj.us/education/genfo/faq/faq_gandt.htm

    Here's another link that may be helpful:
    http://www.accelerationinstitute.org/Resources/Policy/By_State/Show_Policy.aspx?StateID=35

    Thank you, I appreciate your input. I will have to talk to the principal. I was told (in the district) that they did not let skip grades because kids were not mature enough to attend higher grades...


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    Originally Posted by CAMom
    First off, I'm going to guess that the math is actually a 237 not a 273? While they insist that MAP actually goes to 300, I haven't seen a 273 on a Math 2-5 test. Not ever, even when a kid got a perfect score- they will eventually run out of questions to answer, scoring roughly around a 260.

    DS7 is in 3rd grade, so I would definitely guess got the 2-5 test, especially as his elementary school only goes to 5th grade. His latest math score was a 265. According to what I've read and been told, the main difference between tests is the starting point. I asked DS about the content of his last test, and he said that it had presented him with some algebra questions.


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    Originally Posted by GAW
    Thank you, I appreciate your input. I will have to talk to the principal. I was told (in the district) that they did not let skip grades because kids were not mature enough to attend higher grades...


    I think that's a real myth. And it's pretty darn sad. Like the teacher my DD7 had last year who wouldn't give her harder work because she was immature. Um, yeah? She's SEVEN, lady!


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    Lucounu-
    That is true to a certain extent- the main difference is the starting point. However, the 2-5 test has a discontinuation criteria at the end of Algebra I topics and the question bank does not contain all the topics that are on the 6+ test. There is a lot of misunderstanding about the tests and the variations because in most cases, NWEA requires you to pay for a higher level training to get the real nitty-gritty info. Most schools cannot afford that. If you're really curious, ask your teacher for the Descartes Report with the individual subtest scores, as well as the Descartes Goals that include the "skills and concepts to introduce." You should get one for each subtest, of each test given (usually Reading, Language Usage and Math, though some give Science as well)

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    Originally Posted by CAMom
    Lucounu-
    That is true to a certain extent- the main difference is the starting point. However, the 2-5 test has a discontinuation criteria at the end of Algebra I topics and the question bank does not contain all the topics that are on the 6+ test.

    I know you know this, but how do you know? I believe it to be entirely possible to get a 273 score by taking the 2-5 test. DS's score placed him at the 92nd percentile for 11th graders as well as 92nd percentile for those who had finished Algebra 1. He also told me that the questions got past his knowledge level and he had the feeling he had missed some at the end, same as the other times he took the test.


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