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    Originally Posted by Dottie
    The 129 story ends well, as the kid did ultimately retest a third time (maybe 4th!) and did top 130 in a key area to qualify. If you want to get more personal, you can PM me, but I'm not comfortable sharing too much on a public board. I can help with PA specific issues though.

    Oh that is nice to hear! Luckily DS is only in first so there is always next year and the year after, etc...LOL maybe eventually that delayed part of his brain will at least catch up to average. LOL. Actually, he can still take the WISC this year, which leads me to my next thought/question. I am wondering about something. And perhaps I shoudl just PM you but... our district/school allegedly screens for gifted starting now (but they tell the parents nothing of this, probably 'cause they'd all go out and do "prep" courses it is seriously that kind of area smile ... I only know this b/c I am always chatting witth he school psych, etc. and extracting info lol). Anyway, what they do is "screen" all kids by giving them the OLSAT sometime this month. Then if the kid scores a certain number on the OLSAT those children get the WISC IV and based on the WISC scores they are "considered" for the gifted pull-out program. Since my kid got all of this testing in Januyary (but not OLSAT or WISC IV) will they still give him the OLSAT do you think? And what if he scores highh enough onit to get the WISC - will they still give him the WISC even though he just took the SB-V and does not (probably) qualify for gifted anyway with the SB-V scores? I totally plan on asking this of the School PSych, btw, if she ever calls me back! But wondering your thoughts on this? I am just curuous what they would do with him under these circumstances. I am also curious to see how he does on the OLSAT - although that's yet another test I know nothing about!

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    Originally Posted by Dottie
    If every child is being given the OLSAT, I'm sure he'd take it as well. However, I'm not so sure they'd retest him for IQ, if he's already been tested this year. Even though you can take both the WISC and the SB the same year, PA mandates only require a school to test a child once per year based on parental request. Some schools will also fight this, if the child has been tested multiple times. It is best though to go through your own district staff, as it frequently varies in the details. The state mandate though, chapter 16 of the school code, applies to all schools in PA. A parental test request should overrule any district policy and screening process.

    Thanks! I will make sure with the school. I am happy to hear he will most likely be given the OLSAT along with everyone else. I don't know what that test is about but it's nice to more info on his strengths and weaknesses, etc. I would actually feel badly tying to make them give him the WISC if he did score high enough on the oLSAT ... I mean, the school psych spent 5 days with him and then observations in class (not five full days but still about an hour each time - what more could I ask of this poor woman!?!). I mean, I just wouldn't feel right insisting that they also give him the WISC. The OLSAT results would give me more info. If they would not want to give him the WISC (even if he got qualifying OLSAT scores) I wouldn't insist but I may just proceed with getting the WISC prvately or simply waiting to see what happens next year.

    Thanks for insight and help Dottie- I really really appreicate it!

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    Hmmm interesting.... I only seem to have scores for
    Fluid Reasoning
    Verbal Knowledge
    Verbal Quantitative Reasoning
    Verbal Visual-Spatial Processing
    Verbal Working Memory

    I do have a non-verbal score but do not have delineated subtest scores for that - ie no Nonverbal Fluid Reasoning, Nonverbal Knowledge, etc....

    I wonder why. I assume I can get them from her - obviously he must have taken them... Anyway the 23 point difference in socres that I see is between "Fluid reasoning" and "working memory" & "visual spatial processing" He got 129 on the fluid reasoning an 106 on working memory" and 106 on "visual spatial processing.
    Originally Posted by marytheres
    Okay more info - his visual/spatial scores and working memory scores were exactly the same in both verbal and non verbal - the scores are exactly the same and the spread is almost exactly the same.
    As is usually the case, Dottie is more of a testing expert than am I, but I am finally getting around to pulling out the info I have on the SB-V subtests. I took a psychological testing and assessment class a few years back at our local uni and knew that I had a book on the SB-V somewhere!

    So, if it helps at all, in regard to what you posted above:

    Verbal Fluid reasoning and non-verbal fluid reasoning, the subtests where it sounds like he got around 96th percentile scores, look at the following:

    Verbal FR: The tasks vary dependent on the age of the child being tested and how s/he performed on the routing tests, but essentially it is looking at how well a person can tell what things "go together." There are either verbal analogies for older or higher performing individuals (like old SAT tests ___ is to ___ as ___ is to ___), or absurd statements that require the child state what doesn't fit, or numerous pictures that the child needs to look through and find three that "go together" and explain why. I'd say that this subtest, in comparing to the WISC, hits on a lot of the points in the VCI but is most similar to a combo of the similarities and picture concepts VCI subtests on the WISC.

    Non-verbal FR: This test looks very similar to the WISC's matrix reasoning and picture completion portions of the PRI from what I can gather. It appears that the child needs to identify the correct missing piece of a matrix.

    It sounds like abstract reasoning would be a real strength area for him from what you have in terms of this test.

    The areas where his scores were more average, WM and VS look like:

    Verbal WM involves listening to sentences as they are read aloud and them repeating them verbatim. If someone does quite well on that or is older, s/he would then get a verbal WM test that involves listening to a statement, answering questions about it (which doesn't count toward the score), and then remembering specific words from the statement in terms of their placement in the statement (that's the part that is scored toward WM). FWIW, I suspect that kids with ADD would do quite poorly on this based upon what I know of those with ADD in my family (holding info in one's mind and manipulating it simultaneously doesn't work too well!). I'm not saying that your kiddo has ADD, just a random thought that came to mind.

    Verbal VS has the child place objects "above," "below," "in front of," etc. a designated object.

    Nonverbal WM looks something like those old simple simon games if you remember those. You basically have to tap items in the order that you just saw them tapped. Another test in this segment, depending again on the age and ability of the person being tested, looks like an old shell game where you have to follow the item under the shells with your eyes and know which shell it wound up under.

    Nonverbal VS looks quite similar to the WISC's block design subtest. The child needs to assemble pieces into a design that s/he is replicating from a picture.

    HTH!

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