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DeHe, with a PhD school psych and a general willingness there to work with you, I'd say do it. You're at the beginning of a long journey in any case; getting it done through school will give you a baseline of information you're going to refine later anyway. I agree. The school psych can be a great advocate. We had luck with local school's psychologist giving our DS the WJ to complete our DYS app. Our local school is not a gifted school, and I'm pretty sure that the tester didn't have a whole lot of experience with HG kids because she was new. My thoughts were that her being a new school psychologist probably got her at least a little bit of recent training in GT kids (though maybe not). Whatever it was, she really "got" our kiddo (she had done an observation of him in pre-k and I knew she was right on), and she was willing and enthusiastic. It sounds especially promising in your case, with a tester in a GT school who is willing to help you. ETA - And free is an awfully nice benefit.
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A would never recommend a school doing testing... A school isn't going to guarantee that the place will be quiet and that the test can be done with out some phone ringing or someone dropping in, any of those things can easily happen and easily throw a kids' concentration.
Second problem is suppose your child has a bad day, isn't feeling well or whatever... if that happens the day they are taking the test you just put a low score in the child's permanent record and with no child left behind policies their is no guarantee that it wont be available to every teacher the child has until they graduate. It will also be a problem if you later test him by a private place and he tests gifted... now the school has a gifted score and a non-gifted score... which will they use? Some might use the higher score, others that already have as many kids in the gifted program that they want will see the low score as a good way to keep him/her out.
If you do the private testing you control the test results not the government funded school.
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A would never recommend a school doing testing... A school isn't going to guarantee that the place will be quiet and that the test can be done with out some phone ringing or someone dropping in, any of those things can easily happen and easily throw a kids' concentration. That's an odd generalization. Second problem is suppose your child has a bad day, isn't feeling well or whatever... if that happens the day they are taking the test you just put a low score in the child's permanent record and with no child left behind policies their is no guarantee that it wont be available to every teacher the child has until they graduate. It will also be a problem if you later test him by a private place and he tests gifted... now the school has a gifted score and a non-gifted score... which will they use? Some might use the higher score, others that already have as many kids in the gifted program that they want will see the low score as a good way to keep him/her out. My district's only limitation is that you can't re-screen a kid for giftedness for a full calendar year from the date of the last test. If the child re-tests later and scores much higher, that's the test they'll consider valid. If you do the private testing you control the test results not the government funded school. And here you've accidentally described one of the benefits of school testing... because the school will tend to view private results, especially where they're not familiar with the tester, with a bit of suspicion, since private testers do have a financial incentive to provide the results that the parents expect. When the testing is completed by the school, they trust their results.
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You might want to reread what I wrote. You seemed to have missed a few key problems, and only offered a few things that your school currently does... You have to remember that even if your school currently has one policy there is no guarantee that every other school follows that policy or that even your school will continue to follow the policy. What you have to realize is that a school is a government institution and as such is at the mercy of political change that could easily see those test score follow that child forever. A would never recommend a school doing testing... A school isn't going to guarantee that the place will be quiet and that the test can be done with out some phone ringing or someone dropping in, any of those things can easily happen and easily throw a kids' concentration. That's an odd generalization. Second problem is suppose your child has a bad day, isn't feeling well or whatever... if that happens the day they are taking the test you just put a low score in the child's permanent record and with no child left behind policies their is no guarantee that it wont be available to every teacher the child has until they graduate. It will also be a problem if you later test him by a private place and he tests gifted... now the school has a gifted score and a non-gifted score... which will they use? Some might use the higher score, others that already have as many kids in the gifted program that they want will see the low score as a good way to keep him/her out. My district's only limitation is that you can't re-screen a kid for giftedness for a full calendar year from the date of the last test. If the child re-tests later and scores much higher, that's the test they'll consider valid. If you do the private testing you control the test results not the government funded school. And here you've accidentally described one of the benefits of school testing... because the school will tend to view private results, especially where they're not familiar with the tester, with a bit of suspicion, since private testers do have a financial incentive to provide the results that the parents expect. When the testing is completed by the school, they trust their results.
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You might want to reread what I wrote. You seemed to have missed a few key problems, and only offered a few things that your school currently does... You have to remember that even if your school currently has one policy there is no guarantee that every other school follows that policy or that even your school will continue to follow the policy. What you have to realize is that a school is a government institution and as such is at the mercy of political change that could easily see those test score follow that child forever. I only mentioned a few things my DD's school district does because it would be extraordinarily silly of me to generalize all schools based on limited experience. Since you have repeated my point, mission accomplished. You may have raised some valid concerns, and now that we've established that those concerns certainly don't happen in all instances, all that's left for the OP is to possibly check with her school to see if they're worth consideration. Otherwise, all I'm seeing in your post is negative rhetoric about public institutions, and that's not a conversation I'm interested in having.
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Update on the tangent on this thread, mainly for DeHe: I broke down and bought a stylus for the iPad (package of 3 for about $3 on amazon, like pens with a rubber tip). This tool combined with Letter School and our other writing/tracing/drawing apps (Roxie's mazes, Pirate Scribblebeard) is doing wonders for little DS's letter formation and control. I am quite pleased at what the iPad can do to motivate a kid...
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Hi DeeDee
Thanks for the tip - ooh sorry bad pun!
Apparently the tried and true motivations are currently working here - DS got a really nice comment on one homework from his teacher and seems more inclined to focus on doing a good job now. He must have heard someone get good feedback on length and quality of sentences because his have gotten longer and better reflect his complicated ideas.
The golf pencils have been fantastic ,primarily for ending the endless picking of the erasers which was driving me INSANE.
Glad the tips are working for you, we loved Roxie!
DeHe
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