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    My thought when I read your post was: "Wow. She sure is punishing herself."

    Just a few questions to ask yourself:

    Is there some reason I feel the need to criticize myself? Am I replacing a parent/teacher who possibly did that because it's something that I've always had in my life?

    Is it misplaced guilt because of something I really *should* feel guilt for? Have I not forgiven myself and this is how it's manifesting?

    A person rarely does something self-destructive (or destructive to others) unless there is a "pay-off" in it for them. If you can figure out what that is, you may also be closer to figuring out why you feel the guilt.

    Another angle: maybe you feel guilt because, just for example, you have a beautiful child, a nice home & good health, but maybe your sister/best friend had a miscarriage, lost her house and is sick? (I know it's an extreme example, but you get my drift.)

    You sound like a conscientious mother whose standards are high; and that's good...if your standards don't make your and/or your family's life miserable.

    You know the old cliche-"When mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy."








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    Welcome to motherhood.

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    Originally Posted by aculady
    By letting her stay with your husband, you are providing the very valuable opportunity for the two of them to develop their own relationship. Not letting them have time alone together would be cheating both of them. Seriously.

    Children have two parents. Adults need time to themselves, time without another body on them and at them. You are better equipped to be the great mommy you want to be when you have had an hour or so to yourself knowing that your DD is in good hands - and I'm sure that with your DH counts as being in good hands.

    As someone who firmly believes in the virtues of whole foods, the dangers of xeno-estrogens, and the mind-numbing effects of TV, I can tell you that, despite the occasional "lapse", you are almost certainly providing a much cleaner, healthier, and supportive environment for your child than the overwhelming majority of children will ever experience. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

    I will be blunt here. I only feel free to do this because I've been exactly where you are (in Florida in the summer in a new home, no less), and if someone hadn't been blunt with me, things might have gone very differently, and not at all well. Your child will not be stunted developmentally because you ate junk food because it was quick and easy and tasted good a few times while you were breastfeeding, and your child will not be stunted developmentally because she occasionally played with a plastic toy from Grandma, and she will not be stunted developmentally because you let her sit in front of Sesame Street for thirty minutes once in a while while you actually ate a meal and talked to another grown up human being, but having a mother who gives herself a mental breakdown from trying to live to an impossible standard could do real damage.

    Your job is not to be the perfect mother. Your job is to be a good-enough mommy for the child you have to get what she needs - not everything she wants. And that starts with taking care of yourself well enough so that you can take care of her without having a breakdown.

    I'd send hugs, but the last thing you probably want right now is someone hanging all over you, so I'll just send a virtual sensory deprivation chamber instead. wink

    HTH

    LOL @ sensory deprivation chamber. Haha. Are you an INTP, too?
    Thanks for this great response. It definitely made me feel better. I guess I just have to do my best. I like the thought of giving DH and DD more time together and remembering that it is important for them. I think part of the reason my mom was always abusive and unhappy was because she voluntarily did nothing but shop, clean the house, and be a mom. She had nothing meaningful just for herself and even now I can see it is still a source of frustration for her.
    I think I need to do exercise and make sure I have time for my creative outlet (my sites.) DH gets annoyed at me sometimes when I insist on having time to write - ALONE - but I really do need it. Writing for my sites is what has been keeping me sane for the last 9 months, honestly.

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    Originally Posted by ColinsMum
    What aculady says! Also, though, there's absolutely no reason your DD should be getting purees or any special food, and actually, every reason why she shouldn't. So please don't feel guilty about that! Teeth are absolutely not necessary for dealing with lumps - feel those gums! (The teeth that arrive early are not even helpful for dealing with lumps, if you think about it.) I basically never cooked special food for my DS; he sat at the table with us and had a bit of whatever we were eating that I thought he might fancy, maybe mashed with a fork if I thought he wouldn't be able to handle it otherwise. (Babies do apparently differ in how prone they are to choking, and you do of course have to avoid serving food with non-squashable lumps of the size that could easily block the windpipe; that means no slices of frankfurter or whole grapes, though, not avoiding lumps in the mashed potato ;-) Admittedly I did occasionally decide what we were eating on the basis that I wanted to introduce something to DS! Under a year the point of food is not really nutrition, apart maybe from topping up iron stores if you're otherwise exclusively breastfeeding; it's all about being exposed to different tastes and textures and to the fun experience of eating. In fact if she doesn't get any solid food one day, it's not a big deal. Chill, and enjoy your baby!


    Thanks. I was reading a book that wigged me out about iron, iodine and DHA. She ate some peas, broccoli and rice tonight, so that was good. I'm all for baby led weaning, honestly, I just feel like I should be giving her lots of food to try right now.





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    Originally Posted by islandofapples
    Maybe this should go on MDC or something, but most of my guilt stems from me probably being too idealistic and a perfectionist and from DD never sleeping and needing so so so much from us. You all might understand some of this. But maybe I take it way too far. smile
    OK, 7.5 month is a tough time to be a stay at home mom, in the summer in a hot clim, for a mom with perfectionistic view point - no question...but

    Now that you've gotten it out, could you write just as passionately for just as long about how blessed you are at this moment in your life. I suspect that you could. Give it a try! Get it down in writing all the ways you are a good mom and have a good life, ok?

    I agree with the rest that it's time to step back and send Dad and daughter out together into the world while you unpack the house, or leave them home while you get out. Or start looking for a regular babysitter or a housekeeper or another mom of a similar aged kid that you can trade babysitting duty while the one who's house it is gets to clean/organize.

    You probably are being too idealistic and perfectionist, this appears to be your next challenge. It's a lovely challenge to have and very important to take on. If you don't then you'll turn it on DH and DD eventually, and that will break your heart as much as reading about how you turn it on yourself breaks my heart. This is YOUR life and you get to decide which voices play in your head. I'm much more worried about your 'junk food' thoughts than I am about your 'junk food' diet.

    Some people don't eat food that they don't believe in - that's beautiful. But is there any restaurant within your budget that serves food that passes your standards? If so, go there - or back a romantic picnic - or something. Otherwise be suspect of those voices in your head that say you are eating 'crap.' My skin crawls when you use that word to describe your diet. What's so idealistic about beating yourself up emotionally?

    So yes, my vote is for you to get tough on your 'thought patterns' and question them and to get back to the main things: Growing your relationship with your DH, learning how to get his help in a sustainable way, supporting his relationship with DD, getting the house into enough order that it can start sending some happy messages, really enjoying those local mom-friends.
    It's hard that your DD cries and fusses easily - but that is who she is (Apples and trees?) and your job is to help her accept who she is, rather than treat the situation as a sign that something (her?) is terribly wrong. Some babies are just plain grumpy!

    Actually you might try talking to her about it. Sort of: "I notice that something is bothering you. You senses are very alert and you notice many things and that feels uncomfortable sometimes. That's how living in a body is sometimes. We have our ups and downs." or even

    "I see that something is bothering you and you are fussing, but you are being really strong - you could be crying full out now, but instead you are hanging in and observing life. Good for you. Thanks for sticking with us."

    Hope that helps!
    Grinity

    Thanks Grin. It is kind of funny you say that about writing about our blessings. I am always talking about how great life is to DH when he gets stressed out about money, or how long our grass is getting, or feeling like he has no time for college.

    "Otherwise be suspect of those voices in your head that say you are eating 'crap.' My skin crawls when you use that word to describe your diet. What's so idealistic about beating yourself up emotionally? "

    ^^^ This kind of reminds me of how eating disorder talk sounds. But I had one of those, and this is different. One on hand, I do have some extreme thinking about it because I LOVE junk food. I grew up on it. I tried most fruits and veggies after growing up, actually. But I also had cancer and I have an autoimmune disease.

    If I fail to clean up our diet and stick to a clean diet most of the time, I could be asking for a second type of cancer. I'm at a higher risk of it because I had chemo. It is scary and all the research we have supports the fact that eating a whole foods diet can help protect me from another type.

    Am I a little crazy? Yes, definitely. But even my friends who think I am crazy with my food, eco-friendly cleaners, and wooden toys tell themselves I am like this because I have a good reason. (Though they also tell themselves this so they don't have to question their decision to feed their children only chicken nuggets, pizza, and hot dogs and buy all plastic toys...I don't care what they give their children, either, and I don't say anything.)

    "It's hard that your DD cries and fusses easily - but that is who she is (Apples and trees?) and your job is to help her accept who she is, rather than treat the situation as a sign that something (her?) is terribly wrong. Some babies are just plain grumpy!"

    I definitely agree with this. I don't think anything is wrong with DD at all. She is just spirited or whatever. I think we have many lessons ahead of us where I help her to understand her very intense emotions and learn to cope with them. Hopefully I can help her.

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    I agree that you've received a lot of good advice on this thread!

    I think that our society has developed an idea being a perfect parent involves always being with your child and loving every minute of it. Not only do I disagree with this idea, I also believe that because nobody is perfect, trying to force yourself into a perfection mold will only result in disappointment.

    I think that a lot of women (and some men) feel the same way that you do, and I expect that most or all feel like they're letting their families down because they're experiencing the exact same feelings that you described in your OP. If they hide these feelings, a myth gets perpetuated.

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    Exactly what Aculady said!! Great advice.

    I was you 8.5 years ago. It gave me shivers to read your post. Looking back, I know I had a little PPD and it seemed to tip my perfectionism and borderline OCD over the edge. Nothing I did felt good enough and I felt anxious and unhappy about how was parenting my child. I think a lot stemmed from having a difficult child. The underlying gist from family and friends was that it was somehow my fault and I really internalized that.

    I'm not going to lie.. it took a while to work myself out of that rut. I really had to lower my standards and MAKE myself say positive things out loud each day. Forced myself to list my blessings daily until they came to mind before any negative thoughts. Grinity had some great advice about thinking positively, as well.

    I won't hang on you with virtual hugs either, just know you are not alone and that it will get better. (It really, really will I promise you!)


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    Originally Posted by islandofapples
    LOL @ sensory deprivation chamber. Haha. Are you an INTP, too?

    I usually come out as an INFP or an ENFP, but always very borderline on the E/I dimension and on the T/F dimension, so I'd have to give that a definite "maybe". But I vividly remember fantasizing about even 15 minutes in that sensory deprivation tank when my son was little. wink

    I'm so glad that my reply was helpful.


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    Originally Posted by Ametrine
    My thought when I read your post was: "Wow. She sure is punishing herself."

    Just a few questions to ask yourself:

    Is there some reason I feel the need to criticize myself? Am I replacing a parent/teacher who possibly did that because it's something that I've always had in my life?

    Is it misplaced guilt because of something I really *should* feel guilt for? Have I not forgiven myself and this is how it's manifesting?

    A person rarely does something self-destructive (or destructive to others) unless there is a "pay-off" in it for them. If you can figure out what that is, you may also be closer to figuring out why you feel the guilt.

    Another angle: maybe you feel guilt because, just for example, you have a beautiful child, a nice home & good health, but maybe your sister/best friend had a miscarriage, lost her house and is sick? (I know it's an extreme example, but you get my drift.)

    You sound like a conscientious mother whose standards are high; and that's good...if your standards don't make your and/or your family's life miserable.

    You know the old cliche-"When mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy."


    Is there some reason I feel the need to criticize myself? Am I replacing a parent/teacher who possibly did that because it's something that I've always had in my life?

    Sure I am. My mom and stepdad just came over tonight (they hardly ever do) and right before she left she snidely said: "Maybe you should just stop at one (kid.) That way you'll have more time to work on your website."
    I said: "Maybe you should have stopped at 0, so you'd have more time to shop."
    Her: "And maybe you'd have time to clean your house."

    She goes on and on and on about my dirty house when she comes over. Last time she was complaining all day about a salad I made. DH doesn't even want her over half the time because she is like this. She offered to come watch DD tomorrow but ONLY if I clean my house while she here. I need to take her up on the offer, but I feel all wrong and irritated after every time I see her.

    Also, I don't feel guilty because I have something others don't. I mostly can't believe I have such a good life and that I am finally in a happy loving family situation. The guilt for things is driving me a bit batty, but I feel very very lucky right now. I feel blessed that I can even afford to buy this organic food and other things that a lot of people can't afford. I feel blessed that we are all currently healthy and that I have such a bright beautiful little girl! I am tired, though.

    Originally Posted by La Texican
    Do the flylady. �I must be echoing. �It re-trains your mommy brain and makes you instantly nicer to everyone in your family, including yourself. �You're part of the family too. �And so's your husband. �And so's your baby. �That's important. �Flylady will make it sink in. � And use the cozi calendar. �I put it off but it didn't really take long to import the lists after all and it's fun even if I don't do it perfect. �Hint: �it's not about cleaning. �It's called Finally Loving Yourself. �

    I am overly permissive in providing a screen time rich environment. �My brother is a professional video game designer. �My dad works with movies professionally, so I'm anti-sold on the evils of electronics even though I read all the negative beliefs reguarding screen time and attention issues and �lack of imagination. �I don't know. �On one hand I can see it.

    Just a thought. �I'm not saying your thread is off-topic. �You could always make a "Gifted Discussions Forum" thread in finding your tribe at MDC and invite us to your thread in your siggy so we're reminded of it & �know about it. �"Davidson Gifted Family Life Spin-Off."

    La Texican, I am on flylady right now and I am finally signing up again. When I think of undertaking more things to fix myself / my life, I sort of get a sinking feeling in my stomach. I feel like I'm tackling so many tasks that I'm not good at. Being a first time mom, taking care of a house, cooking healthy food, working on my business... Ugh. Such an uncomfortable feeling of not being successful at any of it yet. I keep telling myself over and over -- Anything worth having is worth working for. I remind myself that I get good at things when I work hard at them and it doesn't mean I'm stupid / a failure when I can't do them right away.

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    When DD was born she would not latch at all. I never was able to breastfeed successfully, not even for a minute. She was not gaining weight, had horrible reflux, unexplained fevers, and undiagnosed seizures. Then, the first night home from the hospital a natural disaster of sorts turned our world upside-down.

    It was awful. But, looking back on it, there was a silver lining. I quickly learned that it wasn't going to be perfect. DD's short life was already kind of screwed up, and that was quite freeing. I just did my best. But, there was no ideal.

    I would not change a thing. In the end I know I was an outstanding mother that first year.

    Practical advice: Learn how to get her to fall asleep in a back carrier (ergo), and make sure she is getting enough sleep during the day. This is way more important than feeding her organic. That should be your priority. IMO healthy sleeps are more important than healthy eats.


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    Originally Posted by ellemenope
    When DD was born she would not latch at all. I never was able to breastfeed successfully, not even for a minute. She was not gaining weight, had horrible reflux, unexplained fevers, and undiagnosed seizures. Then, the first night home from the hospital a natural disaster of sorts turned our world upside-down.

    It was awful. But, looking back on it, there was a silver lining. I quickly learned that it wasn't going to be perfect. DD's short life was already kind of screwed up, and that was quite freeing. I just did my best. But, there was no ideal.

    I would not change a thing. In the end I know I was an outstanding mother that first year.

    Practical advice: Learn how to get her to fall asleep in a back carrier (ergo), and make sure she is getting enough sleep during the day. This is way more important than feeding her organic. That should be your priority. IMO healthy sleeps are more important than healthy eats.

    It sounds like you had to deal with a lot!

    She definitely won't let me keep her in a carrier anymore for any extended period of time. She wants to be walking around. Do you have any advice for enforcing sleep? DD seems to have given up naps almost, taking them only once every few days now. She sleeps from 1am to 9 or 10 am and takes a few short 10-30 minute naps during the day after nursing. I KNOW she is tired, but I have no clue how to get her to sleep. She won't even necessarily sleep if I take her in our bedroom, have the blinds closed and stay with her in bed.


    I've spent over an hour in there at times, nursing her almost to sleep over and over again. We end up just playing around the whole time and eventually I give up. She'll be rubbing her eyes still but be way too stuffed with milk to want to nurse anymore, or she'll suddenly get a second burst of energy and my attempts are in vain.

    Hmm. Maybe it is my cup of coffee? I've tried giving that up for a few days, but nothing happened so I went back to it because it is something I look forward to every morning and very much enjoy.

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