Originally Posted by Val
[I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting fed up with the increasingly poor standards of debate on this forum lately. We used to stick to the point and not throw ideology around as a way of silencing critics (and this tactic, when attempted, never worked before here).

Respectfully, not all of us come here for debate. Some of us come to have discussions in which we can exchange experiences, opinions, thoughts. I understand that you consider some of that input to be groundless, but I would ask that you respect the different needs and intentions of those of us who post. If you dislike the opinions that are unsupported by posted evidence (which I think is different from being unsupportable, period), then perhaps you could focus your responses on the places where evidence is provided? At times it seems that you have expended a lot of energy chastising one of us for what we've said, instead of responding directly to specific comments or questions raised about the evidence that has been posted. I would add that when you include a link or an article in a post, unless you state up front that there are aspects of it that you question, disagree with, etc., it is reasonable for readers to assume that the linked resource is illustrative of your points or opinions. Thus, even if you have not directly made a statement yourself, the evidence you have included does communicate to others certain perspectives or beliefs.