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    Thank you, chenchuan, for sharing your local stats. Even if it is a small sample, its still another datapoint to show that given an area with comparable schools and student bodies, both AP and IB will offer similar levels of education and successful outcomes.

    As I continue to mull this (as I'm sure I will until my daughter finally commits to a HS), I think you have a good point about the student self-selection process, and also agree that it may be very acute in our area.

    Just yesterday, I ran into my daughter's old 5th grade teacher, who has been teaching gifted kids here exclusively for 25+ years. I mentioned our HS dilemma, and she was absolutely astounded that we were considering other non-IB HSs in our local area..."why wouldn't she go to the IB HS - its more a fit for her; what they do, the students.." Obviously, she was saying this not for the IB, per se, but because of its student body and the general academic environment. Now her own kids didn't attend the IB high school, but "that was them" and for us, the IB high school was more the fit, she thought. Just found that very interesting and little more re-assuring to get a 3rd opinion from an ex-teacher who knew my kids and the school choices we have very well...

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    This was discussed here.

    http://giftedissues.davidsongifted.org/BB/ubbthreads.php/topics/83346/1.html

    My analysis from the thread.

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    Quite interesting, isn't it?

    By Ruf definition, 1 out of 200, is a level 4, which is what NM semifinalists may be. To do well on the NM test, you need good preparation and a high level of smarts. From my recollection of the test, smart kids without a wide-ranging education, either deliberate or autodidactical, will be at a disadvantage.

    To put this in human perspective, in my HS we only had 2 NM when I graduated. A lot of students were honorable mentions. All of these have PHDs as well as one of the NM kids. I am the only kid in my AP math class ( with 11 students ) who did not get a PHD or MD. Furthermore, many in my class with PHDs or MDs are directors or top level admins in their professions as well. Very successful people. Very hard workers. But not as wide ranging an intellectual curiosity from my recollection.

    Looking at the data, I see three basic groupings.

    First, demographic concentration. San Jose has a ton of very bright people and they will have bright kids and will manage their education. And demand excellent Public schools. Great work ethics round them out. With an open admission policy, these types of schools may be the best bet for most GT kids whose parents decide the move is worth it.

    Second, just normal occurrence. One or two kids here or there. These schools have good programs and are worth a short move to ensure kids get the best that parents can live with given their situation.

    Third, selective admission and excellent instruction. I see a few private and public schools with 10-30% of their class NMSF in a large metro area. Most of the so-called magnet schools don't have that many. There are just two schools with about 30% NMSF. One in NYC and one in Dallas. These schools are a long shot for most parents and kids, but they usually have very strong financial support and a strong community. And a great education is a virtual certainty.

    Another interesting point is that with a few exceptions, most of the "elite" schools with selective admissions do not have many NMSF. One explanation is that they are not skillful at picking and then educating kids to the best of their abilities. Another is that the parents of the brighter kids may make wiser choices about resource allocation. Or, the school really markets to a different segment.

    Here is the NMSF list from 2009.



    http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/wp-content/uploads/files/2009/09/natlmeritsemifinalists.pdf


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    Very interesting data and analysis, thanks for sharing, Austin. It is amazing how many NMSP Finalists some schools do have!

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