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    onthegomom #69207 02/19/10 10:22 AM
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    She has had testing. GAI 140. Don't us FSIQ because she has a slow processing speed. They all agree that she can do the higher work. Their hang up is "social". She does not lack social skills. I have taken her to a counselor and as she tells the counselor, she has nothing in common with her "age" peers.She can tolerate them for awhile but is tired of coming down to their level.She said that she can't talk to any of them about the stuff that interests her. This seems to be pretty common among gifted kids but the school doesn't see it that way. They think the fact that she would rather read a book(just finished The Odessey) than play on the playground with her classmates is "anti social".
    I have been planning my attack, so to speak, carefully. Using the counselor that the school suggested. He is the one doing the Iowa scale on her. Then, we are going to the school to ask for the grade skip. He can talk to them about the "social" aspect.

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    How great you have a school counselor the school suggested. Good Luck.

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    Oh, not a school counselor. A psychologist. Even better. smile

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    I wish I was waiting with you... sad that we are not in explore territory.

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    Originally Posted by Gatorgirl
    She has had testing. GAI 140. Don't us FSIQ because she has a slow processing speed. They all agree that she can do the higher work. Their hang up is "social". She does not lack social skills. I have taken her to a counselor and as she tells the counselor, she has nothing in common with her "age" peers.She can tolerate them for awhile but is tired of coming down to their level.She said that she can't talk to any of them about the stuff that interests her. This seems to be pretty common among gifted kids but the school doesn't see it that way. They think the fact that she would rather read a book(just finished The Odessey) than play on the playground with her classmates is "anti social".
    I have been planning my attack, so to speak, carefully. Using the counselor that the school suggested. He is the one doing the Iowa scale on her. Then, we are going to the school to ask for the grade skip. He can talk to them about the "social" aspect.


    We have/had the same problem with my DD. It grates my nerves when they mention "social" anything. My DD felt the same way. It's amazing how "social" she is with the kids in her online GT class. I'm not sure if it's the lack of face to face or the fact that they can actually discuss the same books and interests. (I'm definately leaning toward the later. smile )

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    I was surprised, there are only six other kids testing with my DD today. smile The positive being it definately put her at ease versus a classroom full of people.


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    Looks like I'm not the only person here who thought this would be a good way to spend time while one or more of our DC test.

    I'm sitting here pondering the possible outcomes/follow up and am reminding myself over and over again that the experience itself is worth it. Even if DD finishes every section this year, it will still be a more "typical" testing experience (akin to the test taking experiences gained by typically developing students) than our state tests, which leave her twiddling her thumbs with 20-30 minutes left per testing block. For those of you with PG kiddos, that may not be the case, but for my kiddo it will force her to work under pressure and make decisions to solve or skip as she goes. I remember that last year she found it kind of fun, even though she didn't finish everything because it was *finally* a satisfying challenge.

    I'm focusing on that part because...then I won't tear my hair out when all those January testers start posting their scores (thanks for the reminder Dottie smile Lol) or when the school gives us the so-what routine (doesn't every 9 year old have a score of 24 on an 8th grade reading test? wink ).

    Anyway....here's my data related gripe for the day: thanks to the independent decisions of her teacher (vs. any GT service involvement), DD is finally recieving some appropriate math instruction this year. Much of it would have been appropriate for her 2 years ago, but 2 years ago (and three years ago, and one year ago....) TPTB didn't see it as "needed". Instead she did a LOT of independent work packets that were rarely finished... Even without actual instruction for 3 years running, she scored at a respectable 16 on the math section last year. I'll be pretty surprised if that doesn't increase this year given that she has had exposure to/experience with a variety of new concepts. In my head, an imaginary conversation in which I share data goes like this:

    Me: If you look at her EXPLORE scores, you'll see that she is more than a little bit above the norms of her grade level peers.

    School: Well look at the growth she has made since last year! She must be getting exactly what she needs at school, so there's no need for any intervention by us.

    I'm quite confident that it would never occur to the school to look at growth as evidence in support of an individualized plan. It won't occur to them that she is significantly behind where she would have been had she been recieving actual instruction all along. They'll just take credit for her growth.

    Of course, if the opposite were true--scores that weren't atypical for her age--that wouldn't be evidence of an inappropriate instructional plan either. It would be seen as confirmation that she isn't outside the typical range. It feels so lose-lose: if the school doesn't believe in the student to begin with, the interpretation will always be to dismiss evidence of giftedness.
    Great outcome: must be great instruction.
    Poor/Average outcome: must be the student's ability level.

    Which is why, of course, I need to keep reminding myself that this experience is really about helping my DD believe in HERSELF and about helping my DD prepare for future high stakes tests by working through the challenges of a test in which she doesn't already know all of the answers....

    If nothing else, it's about the piece of paper I can hold in my hand this spring and look at while I repeat over and over to myself: "See, I'm not crazy. See, I'm not crazy. See, I'm not crazy...". Without that yearly piece of evidence it gets way to easy to let the school make me think every little piece of past data is a fluke. Hmmm....on second thought....has anyone ever had a big DECREASE in year to year EXPLORE scores? Yikes!

    Sorry so long....too much time to sit here an think I guess wink

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    We're working on dd#1's Jack Kent Cooke scholarship application while dd#2 takes the EXPLORE. Since dd#2 is the most erratic person on the face of the planet, she could come out with the highest score in the region or get a zero for all I know.

    Dd#1's science score did drop the second time she took it, but her composite score was 10 percentiles higher the second year.

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    My DD has special accomodations in her IEP so she can take state testing on her own, at her own pace, it usually takes her about an hour. grin She was very disappointed that the same wouldn't be the case today for Explore, and she couldn't take a book <<gasp>>.

    She was very positive coming out today so I'm sure it will be a long wait. All in all a very good experience. smile


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    Dd#1 has accommodations for noise and speed in her school ALP (and previously in a 504) as well. She, too, doesn't get those for the SAT although I haven't specifically sought them out. She did just fine anyway.

    Dd#2 came out of the EXPLORE feeling fairly okay as well. We'll see what that winds up meaning.

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