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    Hi,

    We recently had our DD (4 years, 9 months) tested for giftedness by a private child psychologist. He administered the SB IV. He mailed me her scores and for each section there was an IQ score, but there was no "Total" IQ score. I am very curious what her overall IQ score is.

    Her individual scores:

    Verbal: 134
    Quantitative: 144
    Abstract/Reasoning: 134

    All of these are right around the 99th percentile, but I would really like an overall score. I am under the impression that because she scored so high across the board, that her overall IQ may be higher than any one section.

    Any best guesses out there?

    Thank you so much!


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    I'm sure that Dottie will be here in a bit to clarify for you since she's the resident expert on interpreting IQ scores. The question I have, though, is why he used an old version of the SB? The SB-V has been out for a number of years and it is typical to give the most recent version of the test.

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    Thanks to both of you for the quick replys.

    Dottie, she wasn't given the short term memory portion of the test because of her age. In each section that she did take, some sub tests were age appropriate, and some were not.

    You both mentioned the outdated SB IV. I don't know why he chose to give her that test, but I do know it is a State approved test where we live (and I noticed Davidson accepts it as well), so I would be interested to know why that test was given, but evidently it is still considered to be a valuable test in these arenas.

    Thank you again. I appreciate your feedback!

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    The reason that the newest version of an IQ test is usually given is that they need to be re-normed every few years. Google the Flynn Effect for info. Basically, if you are given an older IQ test, your scores will be higher than they are on a more recently normed version. That is the reason why DYS doesn't accept the SB-LM (which is version 3 of the SB, I believe) anymore. One person tested on the SB-LM and then given a more recently normed IQ test might test many points higher on the LM -- sometimes as much as 20+ points higher on the older test. Hoagies has a comparison chart for people who have taken both the LM and a new test, such as the WISC-IV: http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/wisc_vs_sb_l-m.htm

    The SB-IV isn't as old as the LM, of course, so it shouldn't be inflating scores as much. The SB-V does have an anecdotal history of underreporting IQ scores or netting much lower scores than other IQ tests, though, so perhaps that it why your psych didn't give that one. Dr. Ruf is now considering a score of 121, I believe, to be moderately gifted on the SB-V.

    Like Dottie said, her scores appear solidly gifted. If you want the scores for something like DYS, I'd get some qualifying achievement scores and/or retest in a few years with the WISC-IV.

    I could certainly be wrong b/c I am not the DYS people ;), but, like Dottie, I assume that they are still taking the SB-IV b/c they will take old IQ scores coupled with more recent achievement scores or vice versa. If a child was tested on the SB-IV before the V version came out and had qualifying scores and then later got the qualifying achievment scores, that would probably do it.

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    DS's achievement scores are WRAT-4 tests. I have not seen these mentioned anywhere. Are any of you familiar with these tests? Does DYS accept/have requirements based on these tests?

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    I know someone who used an achievement test NOT on the official list as a "portfolio" item with qualifying IQ scores.


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