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    #64231 12/16/09 02:28 PM
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    Hi there,

    Dottie alluded to this timing issue in an earlier post on SCAT. We plan to have our DS (nearly 8) take this. He is currently in second grade.

    Is there a reason to have him wait until later in spring to test? But will the extra 5-6 months likely change his score. I'm not having him tested for awards or anything like that (that is fine of course, but not the reason we are doing it), but more to have some evidence to back me up when I go to the school to ask for subject acceleration in math. It looks unlikely we will get it mid-year, although we are having him IQ tested soon (I hope) so our opinion might change after we get that back. But I would like to be in a position to ask for him to start in 4th grade math when he starts 3rd grade next year (the fact he didn't know all his times tables seemed to be a big issue for the school, even though he can do basic alegebra and is strong in geometry, so he has been allowed to play Timez Attack for a bit each evening and that has taken care of that - math facts don't hold alot of interest for him).

    Thanks, Cat

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    Hi, Cat,

    From what I've read on the CTY site, the late testers are compared to late testers and early testers to early testers, so there shouldn't be a difference in how he does. I'd say test at the best time for you to advocate for your DS. The scores get turned around pretty quickly, so I'd suggest just working backwards from the date of your end of year meeting to talk about math for next year. I'd guess you'd want fairly current scores for your meeting.

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    I believe that the scaled score cuts are set and stay the same all year. I guess part of the question is how they derive the scaled scores from the raw scores. Is it a set formula that also stays the same? Clearly the pool of students testing at the same time will impact whether a child receives a "special" top scorer award in addition to the usual award. But that is only going to affect a very small number of kids.

    Another question, though, has to do with the tests. Don't they change the test every few months? Are the tests all of equal difficulty, or do they try to counteract the additional growth and learning by using gradually harder tests?

    Somehow I doubt that it's possible to get answers about any of this. Still, interesting to ponder.

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    Thanks all, this is very helpful. I think I'll just go ahead and schedule at what seems to be a quieter time for us (late Februaryish) and see what happens. He is having a lot of fun with the math sample questions (not so much with the verbal- heh).

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    Don't they change the test every few months? Are the tests all of equal difficulty, or do they try to counteract the additional growth and learning by using gradually harder tests?


    This is what I though they did, as kids testing in the spring had a separate awards ceremony in the fall. I know the cut-offs were the same, but I thought they scaled the tests against the population taking the test at that time (or maybe having read all these posts, that time the year before).

    But I really don't know. In fact, I tend to agree with this:

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    thought everyone was held to the same cut levels, regardless of when they test. If that's the case, obviously award levels will be more attainable with that much more growth and learing.


    In that I see the SCAT as more of an achievement test, not an ability test. For example, a highly talented child might be able to figure out multiplication, division and fractions not having seen them before, but another child advanced in math would be able to do well on the test based upon his or her knowledge of the subject matter. I like hearing that the SCAT is an ability test, but it does seem to be closely tied to academic achievement, too.

    Honestly, though, I don't have a clue. I might have misread the materials and never really bothered to look at what they sent out. I was focused on the scores and qualifying for CTY courses. Once the scores came in, I put everything in a file and only recently dug it out in response to NJMom's SCAT post. So I'm learning along with the rest of you.

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    Cat,

    One of my DSs took SCAT at age 6 (second grade) mid year. I don't know how the awards & stuff work, but he really enjoyed it and finished very quickly (nerve-wrackingly so).

    Didn't have any further advice about it, except that you should do it when it's convenient for you/him (for us, it's a 3 hr drive each way to the test center, but that's not true for most people). I picked mid year because there's a lull of learning--it's mostly holiday activities, preparing for big State Test crunch, no soccer, etc. Good time for enrichment with a nice above-level test.

    Cym


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